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Attributes | |
ACN | 373840 |
Time | |
Date | 199707 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : las |
State Reference | NV |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 13000 |
ASRS Report | 373840 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
On jul/xa/97 I received a reserve assignment while on standby. The trip was basically a modified pattern X. I was to dead head to tpa, then resume pattern X. The night before, I went to sleep at XA30 (normal for me). After the first duty period, I went to sleep at XF00 phx time. The next duty period, I was expected to get up at XD30 phx time and fly an 11 hour duty day. After very little total sleep, I finally called crew scheduling at XA00 phx time and told them I was not legal to fly the trip past phx. They took me off from the las turn, but I was assigned a 'refused assignment' for complying with the FARS. First of all, anyone in operations knows all the NASA studies show you cannot get adequate rest when totally FLIP-flopping duty periods. Second of all, it is unfair to record me as refusing an assignment, when I'm not far legal for it. We have pilots who fly these trips tired all the time, because they don't want a refused assignment or to lose the trip credit. The company is wrong to build these types of assignments and wrong to characterize removing oneself from a trip for far legalities as a refused assignment. This is not news to you, but I will continue to document this practice every time it occurs to me.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B757 CAPT FOR AN ACR REFUSED TO FLY BEYOND HIS LEGAL MAX DUTY TIME AND WAS RELIEVED. THE COMPANY SCHEDULING DEPT INDICATED THAT HE HAD REFUSED AN ASSIGNMENT RATHER THAN SHOW HIM AT FAR MAXS.
Narrative: ON JUL/XA/97 I RECEIVED A RESERVE ASSIGNMENT WHILE ON STANDBY. THE TRIP WAS BASICALLY A MODIFIED PATTERN X. I WAS TO DEAD HEAD TO TPA, THEN RESUME PATTERN X. THE NIGHT BEFORE, I WENT TO SLEEP AT XA30 (NORMAL FOR ME). AFTER THE FIRST DUTY PERIOD, I WENT TO SLEEP AT XF00 PHX TIME. THE NEXT DUTY PERIOD, I WAS EXPECTED TO GET UP AT XD30 PHX TIME AND FLY AN 11 HR DUTY DAY. AFTER VERY LITTLE TOTAL SLEEP, I FINALLY CALLED CREW SCHEDULING AT XA00 PHX TIME AND TOLD THEM I WAS NOT LEGAL TO FLY THE TRIP PAST PHX. THEY TOOK ME OFF FROM THE LAS TURN, BUT I WAS ASSIGNED A 'REFUSED ASSIGNMENT' FOR COMPLYING WITH THE FARS. FIRST OF ALL, ANYONE IN OPS KNOWS ALL THE NASA STUDIES SHOW YOU CANNOT GET ADEQUATE REST WHEN TOTALLY FLIP-FLOPPING DUTY PERIODS. SECOND OF ALL, IT IS UNFAIR TO RECORD ME AS REFUSING AN ASSIGNMENT, WHEN I'M NOT FAR LEGAL FOR IT. WE HAVE PLTS WHO FLY THESE TRIPS TIRED ALL THE TIME, BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT A REFUSED ASSIGNMENT OR TO LOSE THE TRIP CREDIT. THE COMPANY IS WRONG TO BUILD THESE TYPES OF ASSIGNMENTS AND WRONG TO CHARACTERIZE REMOVING ONESELF FROM A TRIP FOR FAR LEGALITIES AS A REFUSED ASSIGNMENT. THIS IS NOT NEWS TO YOU, BUT I WILL CONTINUE TO DOCUMENT THIS PRACTICE EVERY TIME IT OCCURS TO ME.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.