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Pilot of a C210 took evasive action by descending to avoid an on-coming climbing B737 who had just departed a class C airspace airport. Reporter was in class C airspace with ATC flight following.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 374843 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199707 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : sna |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 4500 msl bound upper : 4500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : sna |
| Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
| Make Model Name | Cessna 210 Centurion / Turbo Centurion 210C, 210D |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air taxi |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | other other : other pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 60 flight time total : 680 flight time type : 75 |
| ASRS Report | 374843 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 1000 vertical : 500 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were flying a routine cargo flight between myf and hhr. We were in radar contact with ATC at the time getting VFR flight following. It was approximately XX30 PDT and we were 10 NM south of sna at 4500 ft. We had no assigned altitude, no assigned heading, and no traffic was called to us. We looked to our right at about 3 O'clock position and saw a fast moving, climbing airliner. We started a descent to avoid collision with the jet. We knew that we couldn't out-climb the jet so we decided to descend. We heard ATC arguing with air carrier about what altitude we were at so we couldn't transmit. After that ATC asked us if we saw the air carrier jet and we told them why we descended. It would have been better if ATC called the air carrier jet out to us. We would have known what altitude the jet was climbing to.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PLT OF A C210 TOOK EVASIVE ACTION BY DSNDING TO AVOID AN ON-COMING CLBING B737 WHO HAD JUST DEPARTED A CLASS C AIRSPACE ARPT. RPTR WAS IN CLASS C AIRSPACE WITH ATC FLT FOLLOWING.
Narrative: WE WERE FLYING A ROUTINE CARGO FLT BTWN MYF AND HHR. WE WERE IN RADAR CONTACT WITH ATC AT THE TIME GETTING VFR FLT FOLLOWING. IT WAS APPROX XX30 PDT AND WE WERE 10 NM S OF SNA AT 4500 FT. WE HAD NO ASSIGNED ALT, NO ASSIGNED HEADING, AND NO TFC WAS CALLED TO US. WE LOOKED TO OUR R AT ABOUT 3 O'CLOCK POS AND SAW A FAST MOVING, CLBING AIRLINER. WE STARTED A DSCNT TO AVOID COLLISION WITH THE JET. WE KNEW THAT WE COULDN'T OUT-CLB THE JET SO WE DECIDED TO DSND. WE HEARD ATC ARGUING WITH ACR ABOUT WHAT ALT WE WERE AT SO WE COULDN'T XMIT. AFTER THAT ATC ASKED US IF WE SAW THE ACR JET AND WE TOLD THEM WHY WE DSNDED. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER IF ATC CALLED THE ACR JET OUT TO US. WE WOULD HAVE KNOWN WHAT ALT THE JET WAS CLBING TO.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.