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Attributes | |
ACN | 381541 |
Time | |
Date | 199709 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : orl |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 480 msl bound upper : 1000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : orl |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent : approach |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | PA-32 Cherokee Six/Lance/Saratoga |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 1120 flight time type : 600 |
ASRS Report | 381541 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : private |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 20 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
My student and I were practicing approachs at orl executive localizer back course runway 25. Orlando approach handed us off to executive tower. Tower said traffic to follow 1/2 mi from runway on final. We were roughly 3 mi out. Reported no contact on traffic. We were cleared touch and go. We descended to our MDA (480 ft) and were on course. Approximately 1 mi out we were just about to descend for the runway when an airplane (not the same aircraft on a 1/2 mi final) appeared in the upper right hand corner of the windshield and descended to the bottom left corner of the windshield, not an exaggeration. The aircraft was 20 ft in front of us turning base to final. We made a climbing left turn and contacted tower, stating the near midair. Tower apologized and so did the other aircraft. Apparently the other aircraft was supposed to follow us. He reported traffic in sight having a high wing and we never saw aircraft. Also being on the right side, my vision was blocked more by the wing and my student was under the hood. The aircraft was a piper saratoga. One thing that really bothered me was how relaxed ATC and the other aircraft took this. For being this close -- this shouldn't have been taken so lightly. Supplemental information from acn 381548: training/check out PA32 traffic pattern. Tower called #2 behind cessna. Both looked and called traffic 'wing up.' sun reflection -- waited few seconds and turned base. Other aircraft said near miss and cut him off. We must have seen something other than an airplane 'wing up.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A C172 INSTRUCTOR WITH A STUDENT PRACTICING A LOC BACK COURSE RWY 25 APCH COMES IN CLOSE PROX TO A PA32 ON SHORT FINAL. THE C172 COMMENCED A CLBING L TURN TO AVOID THE OTHER ACFT. THE PA32 PLT FOLLOWED THE WRONG ACFT TO THE ARPT RATHER THAN FOLLOWING THE C172.
Narrative: MY STUDENT AND I WERE PRACTICING APCHS AT ORL EXECUTIVE LOC BACK COURSE RWY 25. ORLANDO APCH HANDED US OFF TO EXECUTIVE TWR. TWR SAID TFC TO FOLLOW 1/2 MI FROM RWY ON FINAL. WE WERE ROUGHLY 3 MI OUT. RPTED NO CONTACT ON TFC. WE WERE CLRED TOUCH AND GO. WE DSNDED TO OUR MDA (480 FT) AND WERE ON COURSE. APPROX 1 MI OUT WE WERE JUST ABOUT TO DSND FOR THE RWY WHEN AN AIRPLANE (NOT THE SAME ACFT ON A 1/2 MI FINAL) APPEARED IN THE UPPER R HAND CORNER OF THE WINDSHIELD AND DSNDED TO THE BOTTOM L CORNER OF THE WINDSHIELD, NOT AN EXAGGERATION. THE ACFT WAS 20 FT IN FRONT OF US TURNING BASE TO FINAL. WE MADE A CLBING L TURN AND CONTACTED TWR, STATING THE NEAR MIDAIR. TWR APOLOGIZED AND SO DID THE OTHER ACFT. APPARENTLY THE OTHER ACFT WAS SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW US. HE RPTED TFC IN SIGHT HAVING A HIGH WING AND WE NEVER SAW ACFT. ALSO BEING ON THE R SIDE, MY VISION WAS BLOCKED MORE BY THE WING AND MY STUDENT WAS UNDER THE HOOD. THE ACFT WAS A PIPER SARATOGA. ONE THING THAT REALLY BOTHERED ME WAS HOW RELAXED ATC AND THE OTHER ACFT TOOK THIS. FOR BEING THIS CLOSE -- THIS SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN TAKEN SO LIGHTLY. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 381548: TRAINING/CHK OUT PA32 TFC PATTERN. TWR CALLED #2 BEHIND CESSNA. BOTH LOOKED AND CALLED TFC 'WING UP.' SUN REFLECTION -- WAITED FEW SECONDS AND TURNED BASE. OTHER ACFT SAID NEAR MISS AND CUT HIM OFF. WE MUST HAVE SEEN SOMETHING OTHER THAN AN AIRPLANE 'WING UP.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.