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Attributes | |
ACN | 483942 |
Time | |
Date | 200008 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sjc.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Marginal |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : o90.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | ils other localizer other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : instructor oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 55 flight time total : 400 flight time type : 20 |
ASRS Report | 483942 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : private |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe non adherence : far non adherence other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Aircraft |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We had initially filed an IFR flight plan going from smo to sfo, but were told of an approximately 2 hour delay by smo ground. At that point we requested a new clearance to sns and were given said clearance. Our initial flight plan (to sfo) had been filed with a briefer by telephone, and specifically indicated that we were a C172/U (no DME). I am not sure if this information was translated onto our new IFR flight plan that we got on the radio with smo ground because as we approached sjc (we had changed our destination from sns to sjc in-flight with ATC) we were cleared for a localizer/DME approach to sjc. We did have GPS onboard to give us distance information for the approach, but I suspect this was technically illegal since the GPS was certified for 'VFR only' and we really had no DME VHF equipment onboard. Rather than requesting a different approach (which technically I should have done) we continued in VFR conditions, using the GPS for distance information. The entire approach inside the klide intersection was in VFR conditions, our 'stepdowns' given by ATC prior to klide intersection had gotten us out of the clouds. From now on, I'll make sure ATC knows our equipment situation.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLT INSTRUCTOR, WITH INST STUDENT, ACCEPTS A LOC DME APCH WHEN THE ACFT WAS NOT EQUIPPED WITH DME. HE SUBSTITUTED GPS EQUIP FOR DISTANCE MEASURING, WHICH WAS APPROVED FOR VFR ONLY.
Narrative: WE HAD INITIALLY FILED AN IFR FLT PLAN GOING FROM SMO TO SFO, BUT WERE TOLD OF AN APPROX 2 HR DELAY BY SMO GND. AT THAT POINT WE REQUESTED A NEW CLRNC TO SNS AND WERE GIVEN SAID CLRNC. OUR INITIAL FLT PLAN (TO SFO) HAD BEEN FILED WITH A BRIEFER BY TELEPHONE, AND SPECIFICALLY INDICATED THAT WE WERE A C172/U (NO DME). I AM NOT SURE IF THIS INFO WAS TRANSLATED ONTO OUR NEW IFR FLT PLAN THAT WE GOT ON THE RADIO WITH SMO GND BECAUSE AS WE APCHED SJC (WE HAD CHANGED OUR DEST FROM SNS TO SJC INFLT WITH ATC) WE WERE CLRED FOR A LOC/DME APCH TO SJC. WE DID HAVE GPS ONBOARD TO GIVE US DISTANCE INFO FOR THE APCH, BUT I SUSPECT THIS WAS TECHNICALLY ILLEGAL SINCE THE GPS WAS CERTIFIED FOR 'VFR ONLY' AND WE REALLY HAD NO DME VHF EQUIP ONBOARD. RATHER THAN REQUESTING A DIFFERENT APCH (WHICH TECHNICALLY I SHOULD HAVE DONE) WE CONTINUED IN VFR CONDITIONS, USING THE GPS FOR DISTANCE INFO. THE ENTIRE APCH INSIDE THE KLIDE INTXN WAS IN VFR CONDITIONS, OUR 'STEPDOWNS' GIVEN BY ATC PRIOR TO KLIDE INTXN HAD GOTTEN US OUT OF THE CLOUDS. FROM NOW ON, I'LL MAKE SURE ATC KNOWS OUR EQUIP SIT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.