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Attributes | |
ACN | 382109 |
Time | |
Date | 199710 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : teb |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 7000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 artcc : zdc |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Learjet 31 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | departure other departure sid : sid enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | other : unknown |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 4400 flight time type : 1400 |
ASRS Report | 382109 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 3100 flight time type : 180 |
ASRS Report | 383208 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 5500 vertical : 5500 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Departed teb IFR flight plan on the teb 4 departure, white intersection. First officer was flying the aircraft. Handoff to new york departure from tower, given vectors and altitude assignments. Departure controller #2 cleared us to 17000 ft. During the climb, he asked us to stop at 7000 ft. We were at 7300 ft by that time so I read back and we descended back to 7000 ft. He then had us contact the third departure controller. During the handoff we began to get a TA off our TCASII, then, as we began to receive an RA, I could hear the controller try and give climbing instructions but he was blocked by another aircraft transmission. We then began to take our own action responding to our TCASII. I could tell he had to be talking to our aircraft so I said blocked and asked him to repeat. At that time he gave direct climb, climb instructions plus a 180 degree heading to our aircraft. I acknowledged the instructions and could see my first officer was not responding quick enough with the aircraft so I took over, immediately began a 6000 FPM climb with a 180 degree heading. We avoided the traffic as I could see him at my 2 O'clock position low. I called ATC that evening and talked to the ATC manager. We talked about what happened, he acknowledged that it was a mistake on their part, by not briefing the third departure controller that we were to stay at 7000 ft. I did check in with the third controller and said we were at 7000 ft. We were not climbing or descending our aircraft before the occurrence happened.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RPTED SIT IN WHICH A CPR LR31 AT 7000 FT IS GIVEN CLB CLRNC AT ABOUT THE SAME TIME THE FLC IS RESPONDING TO A TCASII TA RA. NO INDICATION OF LTSS.
Narrative: DEPARTED TEB IFR FLT PLAN ON THE TEB 4 DEP, WHITE INTXN. FO WAS FLYING THE ACFT. HDOF TO NEW YORK DEP FROM TWR, GIVEN VECTORS AND ALT ASSIGNMENTS. DEP CTLR #2 CLRED US TO 17000 FT. DURING THE CLB, HE ASKED US TO STOP AT 7000 FT. WE WERE AT 7300 FT BY THAT TIME SO I READ BACK AND WE DSNDED BACK TO 7000 FT. HE THEN HAD US CONTACT THE THIRD DEP CTLR. DURING THE HDOF WE BEGAN TO GET A TA OFF OUR TCASII, THEN, AS WE BEGAN TO RECEIVE AN RA, I COULD HEAR THE CTLR TRY AND GIVE CLBING INSTRUCTIONS BUT HE WAS BLOCKED BY ANOTHER ACFT XMISSION. WE THEN BEGAN TO TAKE OUR OWN ACTION RESPONDING TO OUR TCASII. I COULD TELL HE HAD TO BE TALKING TO OUR ACFT SO I SAID BLOCKED AND ASKED HIM TO REPEAT. AT THAT TIME HE GAVE DIRECT CLB, CLB INSTRUCTIONS PLUS A 180 DEG HDG TO OUR ACFT. I ACKNOWLEDGED THE INSTRUCTIONS AND COULD SEE MY FO WAS NOT RESPONDING QUICK ENOUGH WITH THE ACFT SO I TOOK OVER, IMMEDIATELY BEGAN A 6000 FPM CLB WITH A 180 DEG HDG. WE AVOIDED THE TFC AS I COULD SEE HIM AT MY 2 O'CLOCK POS LOW. I CALLED ATC THAT EVENING AND TALKED TO THE ATC MGR. WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED, HE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT IT WAS A MISTAKE ON THEIR PART, BY NOT BRIEFING THE THIRD DEP CTLR THAT WE WERE TO STAY AT 7000 FT. I DID CHK IN WITH THE THIRD CTLR AND SAID WE WERE AT 7000 FT. WE WERE NOT CLBING OR DSNDING OUR ACFT BEFORE THE OCCURRENCE HAPPENED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.