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Attributes | |
ACN | 382730 |
Time | |
Date | 199710 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : roc |
State Reference | NY |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Dawn |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : roc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 207 flight time total : 7200 flight time type : 3700 |
ASRS Report | 382730 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 185 flight time total : 6300 flight time type : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 382734 |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : unspecified other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
I was the captain of a flight that departed rochester, ny, on oct/xx/97. The first officer and I reported to work on schedule and I obtained my release and WX from the station personnel at that time. We completed our run-up and proceeded back to the gate for an on-time departure. After the run-up, the first officer inquired about the WX. I told him the arrival airport, white plains, was reporting 1/4 mi visibility, but the forecast called for 2 mi visibility with occasional 1 mi visibility. He asked me if I was going to call plattsburg dispatch. I told him no, because the forecast was ok and they would advise us to go. While en route, ATC advised us that the RVR at white plains was down to 1200 ft. I told the first officer to call dispatch on the radio and inform them of our situation. They asked us how much fuel was onboard and continue to our destination. Approximately 35 mi from the airport, we entered a holding pattern and the RVR at the airport was now 800 ft. I commented to the first officer how the WX service miss forecasting the fog. After holding for 45 mins, we contacted dispatch and they informed us to divert to stewart-newburgh which we did with no troubles. The problem that arises is dispatch had an amended forecast for white plains which had the visibility forecasted to be 1/2 mi visibility and occasional 1/4 mi visibility. Our release should have been amended to include the exemption which would have required an additional alternate. Our dispatch did amend our release when we diverted to stewart- newburgh to be listed on the release.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN LTT HOLDS FOR LNDG AT ROC, NY. WHEN THE WX REMAINS LOW THEY DIVERT TO THEIR ALTERNATE. FLC COMPLAINS THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ANOTHER ALTERNATE LISTED FOR GREATER RELIABILITY OF DIVERTING TO A USEFUL ARPT. THERE WAS A WAY TO LIST MORE THAN ONE ALTERNATE, BUT COM WAS LACKING BTWN FLC AND DISPATCH.
Narrative: I WAS THE CAPT OF A FLT THAT DEPARTED ROCHESTER, NY, ON OCT/XX/97. THE FO AND I RPTED TO WORK ON SCHEDULE AND I OBTAINED MY RELEASE AND WX FROM THE STATION PERSONNEL AT THAT TIME. WE COMPLETED OUR RUN-UP AND PROCEEDED BACK TO THE GATE FOR AN ON-TIME DEP. AFTER THE RUN-UP, THE FO INQUIRED ABOUT THE WX. I TOLD HIM THE ARR ARPT, WHITE PLAINS, WAS RPTING 1/4 MI VISIBILITY, BUT THE FORECAST CALLED FOR 2 MI VISIBILITY WITH OCCASIONAL 1 MI VISIBILITY. HE ASKED ME IF I WAS GOING TO CALL PLATTSBURG DISPATCH. I TOLD HIM NO, BECAUSE THE FORECAST WAS OK AND THEY WOULD ADVISE US TO GO. WHILE ENRTE, ATC ADVISED US THAT THE RVR AT WHITE PLAINS WAS DOWN TO 1200 FT. I TOLD THE FO TO CALL DISPATCH ON THE RADIO AND INFORM THEM OF OUR SIT. THEY ASKED US HOW MUCH FUEL WAS ONBOARD AND CONTINUE TO OUR DEST. APPROX 35 MI FROM THE ARPT, WE ENTERED A HOLDING PATTERN AND THE RVR AT THE ARPT WAS NOW 800 FT. I COMMENTED TO THE FO HOW THE WX SVC MISS FORECASTING THE FOG. AFTER HOLDING FOR 45 MINS, WE CONTACTED DISPATCH AND THEY INFORMED US TO DIVERT TO STEWART-NEWBURGH WHICH WE DID WITH NO TROUBLES. THE PROB THAT ARISES IS DISPATCH HAD AN AMENDED FORECAST FOR WHITE PLAINS WHICH HAD THE VISIBILITY FORECASTED TO BE 1/2 MI VISIBILITY AND OCCASIONAL 1/4 MI VISIBILITY. OUR RELEASE SHOULD HAVE BEEN AMENDED TO INCLUDE THE EXEMPTION WHICH WOULD HAVE REQUIRED AN ADDITIONAL ALTERNATE. OUR DISPATCH DID AMEND OUR RELEASE WHEN WE DIVERTED TO STEWART- NEWBURGH TO BE LISTED ON THE RELEASE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.