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Attributes | |
ACN | 382790 |
Time | |
Date | 199710 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lwm |
State Reference | MA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1150 msl bound upper : 1150 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lwm |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee/Archer II/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Cessna Single Piston Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : private |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 40 flight time total : 210 flight time type : 77 |
ASRS Report | 382790 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : private |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
The problem I am about to describe had the following contributing factors: 1) the airspace at lwm was very congested that evening. 2) control tower was changed from FAA to contract in aug/97. Pilots and controllers are still learning to work together. 3) the events in the pattern so upset a cessna pilot that he came 'looking for me' at my FBO the next day and precipitated a nasty name-calling argument with one flight instructor and then another flight instructor. I was not there. Evidently this man has a reputation at lwm in terms of a bad temper. I certainly hope I don't see him. This is my side of the story. I was 7-10 NM west of lwm at XA00 pm oct/sat/97. I contacted ATC and was told to report back in '3.' I circled outside D airspace and called back in 3-5 mins. ATC told me to report 3 mi left base runway 32. When I reported that position I was told #3 to land. ATC asked 'have you done your 360 degrees?' I thought to myself 'what 360 degrees?' I replied 'I'll do one now.' ATC to all pilot's 'nobody's listening to me. Everyone stay outside class D until I get this mess cleaned up.' ATC asks me 'what is your position now?' I'm still doing the 360 degrees and replied '4 mi left base.' 2 mins later ATC, 'what is your position now.' I replied 'coming to tip of the lake' (which is a prominent ground reference). ATC, 'what is your distance.' I replied '2 NM.' at this point a plane has entered the pattern without talking to ATC and adds to confusion. Now I spot a cessna on right base opposite me and I alert tower. ATC asks cessna if he sees me. He says, 'affirmative.' ATC asks who is ahead. I reply, 'we are about equal.' cessna says he is ahead. ATC clears cessna #1 to land and I am cleared #2. Spacing is too tight and ATC tells me to go around. I land without further incident. I feel that even though things got sloppy, things did get resolved without anyone being endangered. I do not know what I did to upset the cessna pilot so badly.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A PA28 PLT RPTS THAT DURING A BUSY TFC SIT A CESSNA PLT BECAME EXCESSIVELY AGGRESSIVE AND ALTHOUGH HE LANDED FIRST HE, APPARENTLY, ATTEMPTED TO CONFRONT HER AND UPBRAIDED OTHERS WHEN HE WAS UNABLE TO LOCATE HER.
Narrative: THE PROB I AM ABOUT TO DESCRIBE HAD THE FOLLOWING CONTRIBUTING FACTORS: 1) THE AIRSPACE AT LWM WAS VERY CONGESTED THAT EVENING. 2) CTL TWR WAS CHANGED FROM FAA TO CONTRACT IN AUG/97. PLTS AND CTLRS ARE STILL LEARNING TO WORK TOGETHER. 3) THE EVENTS IN THE PATTERN SO UPSET A CESSNA PLT THAT HE CAME 'LOOKING FOR ME' AT MY FBO THE NEXT DAY AND PRECIPITATED A NASTY NAME-CALLING ARGUMENT WITH ONE FLT INSTRUCTOR AND THEN ANOTHER FLT INSTRUCTOR. I WAS NOT THERE. EVIDENTLY THIS MAN HAS A REPUTATION AT LWM IN TERMS OF A BAD TEMPER. I CERTAINLY HOPE I DON'T SEE HIM. THIS IS MY SIDE OF THE STORY. I WAS 7-10 NM W OF LWM AT XA00 PM OCT/SAT/97. I CONTACTED ATC AND WAS TOLD TO RPT BACK IN '3.' I CIRCLED OUTSIDE D AIRSPACE AND CALLED BACK IN 3-5 MINS. ATC TOLD ME TO RPT 3 MI L BASE RWY 32. WHEN I RPTED THAT POS I WAS TOLD #3 TO LAND. ATC ASKED 'HAVE YOU DONE YOUR 360 DEGS?' I THOUGHT TO MYSELF 'WHAT 360 DEGS?' I REPLIED 'I'LL DO ONE NOW.' ATC TO ALL PLT'S 'NOBODY'S LISTENING TO ME. EVERYONE STAY OUTSIDE CLASS D UNTIL I GET THIS MESS CLEANED UP.' ATC ASKS ME 'WHAT IS YOUR POS NOW?' I'M STILL DOING THE 360 DEGS AND REPLIED '4 MI L BASE.' 2 MINS LATER ATC, 'WHAT IS YOUR POS NOW.' I REPLIED 'COMING TO TIP OF THE LAKE' (WHICH IS A PROMINENT GND REF). ATC, 'WHAT IS YOUR DISTANCE.' I REPLIED '2 NM.' AT THIS POINT A PLANE HAS ENTERED THE PATTERN WITHOUT TALKING TO ATC AND ADDS TO CONFUSION. NOW I SPOT A CESSNA ON R BASE OPPOSITE ME AND I ALERT TWR. ATC ASKS CESSNA IF HE SEES ME. HE SAYS, 'AFFIRMATIVE.' ATC ASKS WHO IS AHEAD. I REPLY, 'WE ARE ABOUT EQUAL.' CESSNA SAYS HE IS AHEAD. ATC CLRS CESSNA #1 TO LAND AND I AM CLRED #2. SPACING IS TOO TIGHT AND ATC TELLS ME TO GAR. I LAND WITHOUT FURTHER INCIDENT. I FEEL THAT EVEN THOUGH THINGS GOT SLOPPY, THINGS DID GET RESOLVED WITHOUT ANYONE BEING ENDANGERED. I DO NOT KNOW WHAT I DID TO UPSET THE CESSNA PLT SO BADLY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.