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Attributes | |
ACN | 384220 |
Time | |
Date | 199710 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | L-1011 Tri-Star All Series |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other |
Route In Use | departure other departure sid : sid enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 16000 flight time type : 150 |
ASRS Report | 384220 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Flight plan called for 'loop 9' departure. Actually cleared LAXX2. This change presented on 'modified pre departure clearance.' when ATC cleared us direct to sli, I complied, then questioned routing because sli not on 'loop 9.' asked by ATC to confirm LAXX2 clearance. Rechk of pre departure clearance confirmed this. At no time were we not in compliance with LAXX2, as initial part of departure the same. Potentially, we were in violation if we had continued loop 9. Believe human factors problem due to uncommon type ii pre departure clearance with data displayed in different format.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: L1011 FLC FAILS TO READ THEIR PDC THOROUGHLY ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THEIR ROUTING OUT OF LAX. THEY WERE USING THE LOOP 9 INSTEAD OF THE LAXX2 DEP PROC. PIC BLAMES THE 'UNCOMMON' FORMAT AS USED BY COMPANY. DEP CTLR HAD GIVEN THEM A DIRECT SLI WHICH WAS NOT ON THEIR EXPECTED RTE.
Narrative: FLT PLAN CALLED FOR 'LOOP 9' DEP. ACTUALLY CLRED LAXX2. THIS CHANGE PRESENTED ON 'MODIFIED PDC.' WHEN ATC CLRED US DIRECT TO SLI, I COMPLIED, THEN QUESTIONED ROUTING BECAUSE SLI NOT ON 'LOOP 9.' ASKED BY ATC TO CONFIRM LAXX2 CLRNC. RECHK OF PDC CONFIRMED THIS. AT NO TIME WERE WE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH LAXX2, AS INITIAL PART OF DEP THE SAME. POTENTIALLY, WE WERE IN VIOLATION IF WE HAD CONTINUED LOOP 9. BELIEVE HUMAN FACTORS PROB DUE TO UNCOMMON TYPE II PDC WITH DATA DISPLAYED IN DIFFERENT FORMAT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.