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Attributes | |
ACN | 384880 |
Time | |
Date | 199711 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ord |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 7600 msl bound upper : 8000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : ord |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : second officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 80 flight time total : 3080 flight time type : 80 |
ASRS Report | 384880 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
As we approached the airport I had begun to take care of some of the usual duties for the flight engineer some of which are adjust the air-conditioning system and calling operations with an 'in range' call. When I had finished my work at the panel I looked forward and we were descending through approximately 8500 ft MSL and approach reported traffic at 7000 ft. All three of us found the traffic both visually and on the TCASII. I think the captain said that we were going to be fairly close behind him (3- 5 NM). I took that to mean expect approach to ask us up to slow down for spacing. To this point I had been distracted by my responsibilities at the flight engineer panel. Approach then came up and said air carrier X are you descending to 7000 ft? The question got my attention (as well as the captain and first officer). A quick scan showed us descending through approximately 7600 ft MSL with 7000 ft in the altitude alert window. The cockpit discussion was 'yes we are'(?). I don't know if the first officer had time to respond to the controller before the controller said you were assigned 8000 ft, your traffic is at 7000 ft. He followed this with you can descend to 7000 ft now. We descended to 7000 ft without altering course or airspeed and the remainder of the approach and landing were uneventful.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF A B727 OVERSHOT ASSIGNED DSCNT ALT RESULTING IN ATC INTERVENTION TO QUESTION THE ALT TO WHICH THEY WERE HEADED SINCE THEY HAD ALREADY PASSED ASSIGNED. ATC SUBSEQUENTLY CLRED THEM THE LOWER ALT TO WHICH THE FLC WERE HEADED AND THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE ASSIGNED.
Narrative: AS WE APCHED THE ARPT I HAD BEGUN TO TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THE USUAL DUTIES FOR THE FE SOME OF WHICH ARE ADJUST THE AIR-CONDITIONING SYS AND CALLING OPS WITH AN 'IN RANGE' CALL. WHEN I HAD FINISHED MY WORK AT THE PANEL I LOOKED FORWARD AND WE WERE DSNDING THROUGH APPROX 8500 FT MSL AND APCH RPTED TFC AT 7000 FT. ALL THREE OF US FOUND THE TFC BOTH VISUALLY AND ON THE TCASII. I THINK THE CAPT SAID THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE FAIRLY CLOSE BEHIND HIM (3- 5 NM). I TOOK THAT TO MEAN EXPECT APCH TO ASK US UP TO SLOW DOWN FOR SPACING. TO THIS POINT I HAD BEEN DISTRACTED BY MY RESPONSIBILITIES AT THE FE PANEL. APCH THEN CAME UP AND SAID ACR X ARE YOU DSNDING TO 7000 FT? THE QUESTION GOT MY ATTN (AS WELL AS THE CAPT AND FO). A QUICK SCAN SHOWED US DSNDING THROUGH APPROX 7600 FT MSL WITH 7000 FT IN THE ALT ALERT WINDOW. THE COCKPIT DISCUSSION WAS 'YES WE ARE'(?). I DON'T KNOW IF THE FO HAD TIME TO RESPOND TO THE CTLR BEFORE THE CTLR SAID YOU WERE ASSIGNED 8000 FT, YOUR TFC IS AT 7000 FT. HE FOLLOWED THIS WITH YOU CAN DSND TO 7000 FT NOW. WE DSNDED TO 7000 FT WITHOUT ALTERING COURSE OR AIRSPD AND THE REMAINDER OF THE APCH AND LNDG WERE UNEVENTFUL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.