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Attributes | |
ACN | 385115 |
Time | |
Date | 199711 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : cvg |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1000 msl bound upper : 1500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : cvg |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727-100 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure : noise abatement departure other departure sid : sid |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure : noise abatement departure other departure sid : sid |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 6000 |
ASRS Report | 385115 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Departed runway 27 closely behind another B727. Initiated close in noise abatement procedure (flaps 15 degrees and reduced power). About 1500 ft AGL, flight encountered wake turbulence from preceding aircraft, flight rolled left then hard right. I made rapid and radical thrust and pitch changes. Advanced thrust from 1.7 EPR to go around thrust and pitched from +10 degrees to - 10 degrees. Aircraft flew through the vortex. I feel that this upset and recovery maneuver posed a serious threat to flight safety. The high drag, low thrust confign of the close in noise abatement procedure exposes the flight to unnecessary risk. I feel very strongly that our procedures should be reviewed to improve the safety margin given the varying threats of wake turbulence, tailwinds, icing, mechanical failures, etc. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporter was the captain on a B727-100 freighter on a noise abatement departure from cvg. He said that his company uses the normal hub and spoke technique of mass arrs and departures and this generates a number of wake encounters with their own aircraft. The operation at this airport is more sensitive than usual because the wake encounters occur while the aircraft is near its performance limitations and there is often little performance margin for an effective response. Since this event he has decided to carry more than the recommended power to aid in his recovery when he again hits a wake. The captain said that he spoke to his principal operations inspector, but he did not seem to be able to convince the inspector of the risk involved. He also filed a report with his union.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR B727 FREIGHTER FLC HIT THE WAKE OF ANOTHER B727 WHILE PERFORMING A CLOSE-IN NOISE ABATEMENT DEP. THE RPTR FEELS THAT THIS TYPE OF PROC IS UNSAFE TO PERFORM DURING THE MASS DEPS.
Narrative: DEPARTED RWY 27 CLOSELY BEHIND ANOTHER B727. INITIATED CLOSE IN NOISE ABATEMENT PROC (FLAPS 15 DEGS AND REDUCED PWR). ABOUT 1500 FT AGL, FLT ENCOUNTERED WAKE TURB FROM PRECEDING ACFT, FLT ROLLED L THEN HARD R. I MADE RAPID AND RADICAL THRUST AND PITCH CHANGES. ADVANCED THRUST FROM 1.7 EPR TO GAR THRUST AND PITCHED FROM +10 DEGS TO - 10 DEGS. ACFT FLEW THROUGH THE VORTEX. I FEEL THAT THIS UPSET AND RECOVERY MANEUVER POSED A SERIOUS THREAT TO FLT SAFETY. THE HIGH DRAG, LOW THRUST CONFIGN OF THE CLOSE IN NOISE ABATEMENT PROC EXPOSES THE FLT TO UNNECESSARY RISK. I FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT OUR PROCS SHOULD BE REVIEWED TO IMPROVE THE SAFETY MARGIN GIVEN THE VARYING THREATS OF WAKE TURB, TAILWINDS, ICING, MECHANICAL FAILURES, ETC. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE RPTR WAS THE CAPT ON A B727-100 FREIGHTER ON A NOISE ABATEMENT DEP FROM CVG. HE SAID THAT HIS COMPANY USES THE NORMAL HUB AND SPOKE TECHNIQUE OF MASS ARRS AND DEPS AND THIS GENERATES A NUMBER OF WAKE ENCOUNTERS WITH THEIR OWN ACFT. THE OP AT THIS ARPT IS MORE SENSITIVE THAN USUAL BECAUSE THE WAKE ENCOUNTERS OCCUR WHILE THE ACFT IS NEAR ITS PERFORMANCE LIMITATIONS AND THERE IS OFTEN LITTLE PERFORMANCE MARGIN FOR AN EFFECTIVE RESPONSE. SINCE THIS EVENT HE HAS DECIDED TO CARRY MORE THAN THE RECOMMENDED PWR TO AID IN HIS RECOVERY WHEN HE AGAIN HITS A WAKE. THE CAPT SAID THAT HE SPOKE TO HIS PRINCIPAL OPS INSPECTOR, BUT HE DID NOT SEEM TO BE ABLE TO CONVINCE THE INSPECTOR OF THE RISK INVOLVED. HE ALSO FILED A RPT WITH HIS UNION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.