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MD80 flight crew disturbed with the runway designation of new runway at dfw. The third parallel runway seems to create confusion. Renaming the runway from runway 17L/35R to runway 16/34 would clarify which runway to be used.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 385589 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199711 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : dfw |
| State Reference | TX |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 10000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : dfw |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 5000 |
| ASRS Report | 385589 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| Airport | other physical facility |
Narrative:
Dfw runway 17L/35R needs to be renamed runway 16/34 (or 19/01). Dfw recently opened an additional n-s runway on the east side of the airport. It's not unusual for regional approach to issue last min runway changes and a short approach. There can be a lot of confusion with which one of 3 runways labeled '17' you are to line up with (17L, 17C, 17R plus all the txwys). There's usually no time to rebrief the approach or even tune in the ILS frequency. The potential for error is high and could be easily eliminated if the runway on the far east side were labeled separate from the closely spaced runway 17's. I've talked to other crews (based in dfw) who also find this a problem. (Many of whom have in fact already lined up for the wrong runway.) it's mentally another distraction at the most critical phase of flight that isn't needed and could be easily corrected. Once again, the simple fix -- rename runway 17L/35R to runway 16/34. Note: as of yet I have not lined up for the wrong runway -- but if this isn't corrected, it's just a matter of time.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MD80 FLC DISTURBED WITH THE RWY DESIGNATION OF NEW RWY AT DFW. THE THIRD PARALLEL RWY SEEMS TO CREATE CONFUSION. RENAMING THE RWY FROM RWY 17L/35R TO RWY 16/34 WOULD CLARIFY WHICH RWY TO BE USED.
Narrative: DFW RWY 17L/35R NEEDS TO BE RENAMED RWY 16/34 (OR 19/01). DFW RECENTLY OPENED AN ADDITIONAL N-S RWY ON THE E SIDE OF THE ARPT. IT'S NOT UNUSUAL FOR REGIONAL APCH TO ISSUE LAST MIN RWY CHANGES AND A SHORT APCH. THERE CAN BE A LOT OF CONFUSION WITH WHICH ONE OF 3 RWYS LABELED '17' YOU ARE TO LINE UP WITH (17L, 17C, 17R PLUS ALL THE TXWYS). THERE'S USUALLY NO TIME TO REBRIEF THE APCH OR EVEN TUNE IN THE ILS FREQ. THE POTENTIAL FOR ERROR IS HIGH AND COULD BE EASILY ELIMINATED IF THE RWY ON THE FAR EAST SIDE WERE LABELED SEPARATE FROM THE CLOSELY SPACED RWY 17'S. I'VE TALKED TO OTHER CREWS (BASED IN DFW) WHO ALSO FIND THIS A PROB. (MANY OF WHOM HAVE IN FACT ALREADY LINED UP FOR THE WRONG RWY.) IT'S MENTALLY ANOTHER DISTR AT THE MOST CRITICAL PHASE OF FLT THAT ISN'T NEEDED AND COULD BE EASILY CORRECTED. ONCE AGAIN, THE SIMPLE FIX -- RENAME RWY 17L/35R TO RWY 16/34. NOTE: AS OF YET I HAVE NOT LINED UP FOR THE WRONG RWY -- BUT IF THIS ISN'T CORRECTED, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.