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Attributes | |
ACN | 387030 |
Time | |
Date | 199711 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 11500 msl bound upper : 12000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax tower : mme |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star enroute airway : lax |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 3500 |
ASRS Report | 387030 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I was the PF, in addition captain had requested at beginning of trip that I do all of the PA's. Knowing this I attempted to complete PA early, however, flight attendants were doing their arrival briefing. I was not able to do my briefing until leaving approximately 14000 ft. The last clearance I heard was cleared civet 1 arrival cross arnes at 250 KTS. I completed PA as the aircraft reached bremr at 12000 ft. I announced that I was back on the communication radio. I entered 10000 ft in the MCP altitude window and started down in vertical speed to 10000 ft at arnes. As the aircraft descended through 11600 ft the captain said we were to maintain 12000 ft. I responded by disengaging the autoplt and climbing back to 12000 ft. I said this is the first time I heard that clearance. The captain responded by saying, he gave that to us while you were doing the PA (the aircraft reached 11500 ft). Once level at 12000 ft the captain asked approach if they still needed us at 12000 ft. They said no, descend to 8000 ft. Also I almost forgot in the initial descent to 10000 ft we were given a runway change from runway 25L to runway 24R. I'm sure this played a part in the captain forgetting to tell me the clearance had changed. Approach never said anything regarding our altitude deviation. The remainder of the flight was normal.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ON STAR ARR RPTR PF, FO, WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR PA ANNOUNCEMENTS AS WELL AS FLYING SO WHEN HE WAS OFF THE COM RADIO ATC GAVE A RWY CHANGE AND ALT CHANGE. PNF CAPT DIDN'T TELL THE FO UNTIL HE HAD SET THE MCP AND DSNDED BELOW THE ASSIGNED ALT.
Narrative: I WAS THE PF, IN ADDITION CAPT HAD REQUESTED AT BEGINNING OF TRIP THAT I DO ALL OF THE PA'S. KNOWING THIS I ATTEMPTED TO COMPLETE PA EARLY, HOWEVER, FLT ATTENDANTS WERE DOING THEIR ARR BRIEFING. I WAS NOT ABLE TO DO MY BRIEFING UNTIL LEAVING APPROX 14000 FT. THE LAST CLRNC I HEARD WAS CLRED CIVET 1 ARR CROSS ARNES AT 250 KTS. I COMPLETED PA AS THE ACFT REACHED BREMR AT 12000 FT. I ANNOUNCED THAT I WAS BACK ON THE COM RADIO. I ENTERED 10000 FT IN THE MCP ALT WINDOW AND STARTED DOWN IN VERT SPD TO 10000 FT AT ARNES. AS THE ACFT DSNDED THROUGH 11600 FT THE CAPT SAID WE WERE TO MAINTAIN 12000 FT. I RESPONDED BY DISENGAGING THE AUTOPLT AND CLBING BACK TO 12000 FT. I SAID THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HEARD THAT CLRNC. THE CAPT RESPONDED BY SAYING, HE GAVE THAT TO US WHILE YOU WERE DOING THE PA (THE ACFT REACHED 11500 FT). ONCE LEVEL AT 12000 FT THE CAPT ASKED APCH IF THEY STILL NEEDED US AT 12000 FT. THEY SAID NO, DSND TO 8000 FT. ALSO I ALMOST FORGOT IN THE INITIAL DSCNT TO 10000 FT WE WERE GIVEN A RWY CHANGE FROM RWY 25L TO RWY 24R. I'M SURE THIS PLAYED A PART IN THE CAPT FORGETTING TO TELL ME THE CLRNC HAD CHANGED. APCH NEVER SAID ANYTHING REGARDING OUR ALTDEV. THE REMAINDER OF THE FLT WAS NORMAL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.