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Attributes | |
ACN | 388502 |
Time | |
Date | 199712 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dca |
State Reference | DC |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 2000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : dca |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 75 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 1300 |
ASRS Report | 388502 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 3000 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 388503 |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were cleared for the river visual approach for runway 18. From a heading of 180 degrees, assigned by ATC, we intercepted the river approximately 9-10 DME from dca. While we were on the approach at approximately 4 DME from dca, ATC told us to fly on the left side of the river. We adjusted our flight path accordingly so that we were on the left side of the river. At approximately 3 DME ATC advised us to square the base to final for spacing. As we continued ATC asked, 'do you have the traffic on final for runway 18 and runway 21?' we responded to ATC request that we had the traffic for both runways in sight. We continued the approach and landed without incident. About 45 mins after we landed (XX45Z) we were confronted by the local auths and secret service agents. At that time we were told we might have accidentally penetrated prohibited area P56. Contributing factors: 1) flying on the left side of the river that was assigned by ATC. 2) within 1-2 mi from landing we were looking for traffic that was landing on runway 18 and runway 21 as well as navigating and making final preparations to land. 3) inadequate spacing throughout the entire approach. Corrective action: the most significant factor that could have prevented this situation would have been for ATC not to have altered the river visual approach to runway 18. If there was inadequate spacing for simultaneous lndgs ATC should have made us go around or do not allow simultaneous lndgs on intersecting runways. If the approaching aircraft had been properly spaced by ATC, my aircraft would not have penetrated the prohibited area. Supplemental information from acn 388503: corrective action: ATC should not alter an already 'busy' approach. Spacing was probably inadequate and tower was creating a traffic jam. We had a slot time for XX00Z and touched down at that time. Why issue slot times if spacing is inadequate?
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF MDT CHARTER ACFT ON VISUAL APCH AT DCA IS TOLD AFTER LNDG THAT THEY ENTERED RESTR AREA P56.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED FOR THE RIVER VISUAL APCH FOR RWY 18. FROM A HDG OF 180 DEGS, ASSIGNED BY ATC, WE INTERCEPTED THE RIVER APPROX 9-10 DME FROM DCA. WHILE WE WERE ON THE APCH AT APPROX 4 DME FROM DCA, ATC TOLD US TO FLY ON THE L SIDE OF THE RIVER. WE ADJUSTED OUR FLT PATH ACCORDINGLY SO THAT WE WERE ON THE L SIDE OF THE RIVER. AT APPROX 3 DME ATC ADVISED US TO SQUARE THE BASE TO FINAL FOR SPACING. AS WE CONTINUED ATC ASKED, 'DO YOU HAVE THE TFC ON FINAL FOR RWY 18 AND RWY 21?' WE RESPONDED TO ATC REQUEST THAT WE HAD THE TFC FOR BOTH RWYS IN SIGHT. WE CONTINUED THE APCH AND LANDED WITHOUT INCIDENT. ABOUT 45 MINS AFTER WE LANDED (XX45Z) WE WERE CONFRONTED BY THE LCL AUTHS AND SECRET SVC AGENTS. AT THAT TIME WE WERE TOLD WE MIGHT HAVE ACCIDENTALLY PENETRATED PROHIBITED AREA P56. CONTRIBUTING FACTORS: 1) FLYING ON THE L SIDE OF THE RIVER THAT WAS ASSIGNED BY ATC. 2) WITHIN 1-2 MI FROM LNDG WE WERE LOOKING FOR TFC THAT WAS LNDG ON RWY 18 AND RWY 21 AS WELL AS NAVING AND MAKING FINAL PREPARATIONS TO LAND. 3) INADEQUATE SPACING THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE APCH. CORRECTIVE ACTION: THE MOST SIGNIFICANT FACTOR THAT COULD HAVE PREVENTED THIS SIT WOULD HAVE BEEN FOR ATC NOT TO HAVE ALTERED THE RIVER VISUAL APCH TO RWY 18. IF THERE WAS INADEQUATE SPACING FOR SIMULTANEOUS LNDGS ATC SHOULD HAVE MADE US GAR OR DO NOT ALLOW SIMULTANEOUS LNDGS ON INTERSECTING RWYS. IF THE APCHING ACFT HAD BEEN PROPERLY SPACED BY ATC, MY ACFT WOULD NOT HAVE PENETRATED THE PROHIBITED AREA. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 388503: CORRECTIVE ACTION: ATC SHOULD NOT ALTER AN ALREADY 'BUSY' APCH. SPACING WAS PROBABLY INADEQUATE AND TWR WAS CREATING A TFC JAM. WE HAD A SLOT TIME FOR XX00Z AND TOUCHED DOWN AT THAT TIME. WHY ISSUE SLOT TIMES IF SPACING IS INADEQUATE?
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.