An air carrier B727 flight crew did not deice because they did not think that conditions required it...

Attributes
ACN	392370
Time
Date	199801
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : ord
State Reference	IL
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	IMC
Light	Dusk
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B727-100
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	ground other : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
ASRS Report	392370
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa other other : unspecified
Resolutory Action	other
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

The aircraft had been at the gate about 1 hour. There was one 5-10 min period of trace precipitation in the form of very fine snow. Before pushback, I asked the so the condition of the aircraft surfaces. He informed me the wings were completely clean. No deice was requested. On taxi for takeoff, the aft cabin flight attendant called the cockpit. She stated our jump seat rider (who was seated in the cabin) notified her there was ice on the upper wing surfaces. I sent the so to check the engines from the aft cabin. He confirmed the report. I returned to the gate for deicing. I believe this ice formed over the fuel tank areas of the wings due to large amount of fuel we had on landing. We routinely tanker fuel to ord. The leading edges and trailing edges were dry. The so failed to note the ice on the top of wing, which may not have been visible without using a ladder. I try to let my crew members carry out their duties without doing everything myself (in accordance with proper CRM). Several incidents I have had recently (mostly involving MEL) have convinced me the older ways of the captain doing or checking everything has its merits.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: AN ACR B727 FLC DID NOT DEICE BECAUSE THEY DID NOT THINK THAT CONDITIONS REQUIRED IT, BUT AS THEY TAXIED OUT THEY LEARNED OF ICE ON THE WINGS.

Narrative: THE ACFT HAD BEEN AT THE GATE ABOUT 1 HR. THERE WAS ONE 5-10 MIN PERIOD OF TRACE PRECIP IN THE FORM OF VERY FINE SNOW. BEFORE PUSHBACK, I ASKED THE SO THE CONDITION OF THE ACFT SURFACES. HE INFORMED ME THE WINGS WERE COMPLETELY CLEAN. NO DEICE WAS REQUESTED. ON TAXI FOR TKOF, THE AFT CABIN FLT ATTENDANT CALLED THE COCKPIT. SHE STATED OUR JUMP SEAT RIDER (WHO WAS SEATED IN THE CABIN) NOTIFIED HER THERE WAS ICE ON THE UPPER WING SURFACES. I SENT THE SO TO CHK THE ENGS FROM THE AFT CABIN. HE CONFIRMED THE RPT. I RETURNED TO THE GATE FOR DEICING. I BELIEVE THIS ICE FORMED OVER THE FUEL TANK AREAS OF THE WINGS DUE TO LARGE AMOUNT OF FUEL WE HAD ON LNDG. WE ROUTINELY TANKER FUEL TO ORD. THE LEADING EDGES AND TRAILING EDGES WERE DRY. THE SO FAILED TO NOTE THE ICE ON THE TOP OF WING, WHICH MAY NOT HAVE BEEN VISIBLE WITHOUT USING A LADDER. I TRY TO LET MY CREW MEMBERS CARRY OUT THEIR DUTIES WITHOUT DOING EVERYTHING MYSELF (IN ACCORDANCE WITH PROPER CRM). SEVERAL INCIDENTS I HAVE HAD RECENTLY (MOSTLY INVOLVING MEL) HAVE CONVINCED ME THE OLDER WAYS OF THE CAPT DOING OR CHKING EVERYTHING HAS ITS MERITS.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

An air carrier B727 flight crew did not deice because they did not think that conditions required it, but as they taxied out they learned of ice on the wings.