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Attributes | |
ACN | 392637 |
Time | |
Date | 199801 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ord |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 1000 agl bound upper : 1000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : ord tower : sba |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 392367 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Approaching ord, the ATIS said, 'simultaneous wet intersecting runway operations are being conducted.' after switching to tower, we were told, 'cleared to land, runway 14R, hold short of runway 9R.' I said, 'cleared to land runway 14R, is the runway wet?' the controller said, 'affirmative.' I said, 'I don't think that we can guarantee that we can make it.' he replied, 'ok, unable to hold short. Cleared to land runway 14R.' lahso (land and hold short operations) are an accident waiting to happen, particularly on wet runways. There is no guarantee that an aircraft will be able to comply. A failure of a deceleration device, windshear, long/floating landing, hydroplaning, etc, can affect your stopping distance when you aren't ready for it. Also, simultaneous gars (backed lndgs) can create a midair potential.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RPTR NOTES CONCERNS IN THE USE OF LAHSO OPS REGARDING ACFT BEING ABLE TO COMPLY WITH THE PROC DURING DIFFERENT WX AND OTHER CONDITIONS SITS.
Narrative: APCHING ORD, THE ATIS SAID, 'SIMULTANEOUS WET INTERSECTING RWY OPS ARE BEING CONDUCTED.' AFTER SWITCHING TO TWR, WE WERE TOLD, 'CLRED TO LAND, RWY 14R, HOLD SHORT OF RWY 9R.' I SAID, 'CLRED TO LAND RWY 14R, IS THE RWY WET?' THE CTLR SAID, 'AFFIRMATIVE.' I SAID, 'I DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN GUARANTEE THAT WE CAN MAKE IT.' HE REPLIED, 'OK, UNABLE TO HOLD SHORT. CLRED TO LAND RWY 14R.' LAHSO (LAND AND HOLD SHORT OPS) ARE AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN, PARTICULARLY ON WET RWYS. THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT AN ACFT WILL BE ABLE TO COMPLY. A FAILURE OF A DECELERATION DEVICE, WINDSHEAR, LONG/FLOATING LNDG, HYDROPLANING, ETC, CAN AFFECT YOUR STOPPING DISTANCE WHEN YOU AREN'T READY FOR IT. ALSO, SIMULTANEOUS GARS (BACKED LNDGS) CAN CREATE A MIDAIR POTENTIAL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.