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Attributes | |
ACN | 393000 |
Time | |
Date | 199802 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sea |
State Reference | WA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 6000 msl bound upper : 6000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sea |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | departure other departure sid : sid |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 3000 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 393000 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 8500 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 392984 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Cleared for takeoff runway 34R with mountain 4 departure. We had already briefed the appropriate t-proc (engine out) and departure for runway 34R so we executed our takeoff. The captain called for gear up then passing 3000 ft for after takeoff checklist. At that point he again read the mountain 4 departure aloud as I did the after takeoff checklist. As he read cross D8 sea at or above 4000 ft then right heading 070 degrees he asked for 070 degrees in the heading window and said we'll have no problem making the crossing restr. Soon after that he started a right hand turn. I cleared him right. Moments later departure called and said we had turned too early and cut someone off, turn back left to 340 degree heading. After further vectors we were back on course with no incident. I believe the captain read everything correctly, he just was thinking 4000 ft and our t-proc turn at 4.3 DME somehow took the place of 8 DME. I was preoccupied with radio calls and after takeoff checklist and just heard him read everything correctly but do the wrong or early turn. After a morning of solid thunderstorms at lax and outstanding crew coordination and procedures there may have been a let down with this VFR takeoff. Supplemental information from acn 392984: at 4000 ft on 338 degree radial I said 'we have passed 4000 ft.' I then glanced at SID and thought it read at 4000 ft turn to 070 degrees. I requested 070 degree heading select and began turn. At this point I was probably 4-5 DME. After turn began, ATC said 'turn to heading 340 degrees.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR B737 FLC STARTED THEIR SID TURN TOO EARLY AND WERE CUTTING OFF THE PREVIOUS DEP. THE DEP CTLR INTERCEDED VECTORING THEM OUT OF HARM'S WAY.
Narrative: CLRED FOR TKOF RWY 34R WITH MOUNTAIN 4 DEP. WE HAD ALREADY BRIEFED THE APPROPRIATE T-PROC (ENG OUT) AND DEP FOR RWY 34R SO WE EXECUTED OUR TKOF. THE CAPT CALLED FOR GEAR UP THEN PASSING 3000 FT FOR AFTER TKOF CHKLIST. AT THAT POINT HE AGAIN READ THE MOUNTAIN 4 DEP ALOUD AS I DID THE AFTER TKOF CHKLIST. AS HE READ CROSS D8 SEA AT OR ABOVE 4000 FT THEN R HDG 070 DEGS HE ASKED FOR 070 DEGS IN THE HEADING WINDOW AND SAID WE'LL HAVE NO PROB MAKING THE XING RESTR. SOON AFTER THAT HE STARTED A R HAND TURN. I CLRED HIM R. MOMENTS LATER DEP CALLED AND SAID WE HAD TURNED TOO EARLY AND CUT SOMEONE OFF, TURN BACK L TO 340 DEG HDG. AFTER FURTHER VECTORS WE WERE BACK ON COURSE WITH NO INCIDENT. I BELIEVE THE CAPT READ EVERYTHING CORRECTLY, HE JUST WAS THINKING 4000 FT AND OUR T-PROC TURN AT 4.3 DME SOMEHOW TOOK THE PLACE OF 8 DME. I WAS PREOCCUPIED WITH RADIO CALLS AND AFTER TKOF CHKLIST AND JUST HEARD HIM READ EVERYTHING CORRECTLY BUT DO THE WRONG OR EARLY TURN. AFTER A MORNING OF SOLID TSTMS AT LAX AND OUTSTANDING CREW COORD AND PROCS THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A LET DOWN WITH THIS VFR TKOF. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 392984: AT 4000 FT ON 338 DEG RADIAL I SAID 'WE HAVE PASSED 4000 FT.' I THEN GLANCED AT SID AND THOUGHT IT READ AT 4000 FT TURN TO 070 DEGS. I REQUESTED 070 DEG HDG SELECT AND BEGAN TURN. AT THIS POINT I WAS PROBABLY 4-5 DME. AFTER TURN BEGAN, ATC SAID 'TURN TO HDG 340 DEGS.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.