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Attributes | |
ACN | 394600 |
Time | |
Date | 199802 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : aml airport : dca |
State Reference | VA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 16000 msl bound upper : 16600 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdc tracon : dca |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 394600 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
On climb out while level at about 13000 ft, the departure controller became saturated with radio calls and directed everyone to 'shut-up,' and I believe he said, 'do not acknowledge further xmissions.' he then cleared us to climb to 17000 ft. We acknowledged across cockpit and set 17000 ft in the altitude alert window, began the climb, but did not read back the clearance to the controller. He then sent us to a new frequency. Our first call was '...passing 16000 ft for 17000 ft.' the new controller asked our altitude. We advised 16600 ft. He said 'level immediately.' -- on the new frequency. This was never explained to us. We were level at 16600 ft for about 2-3 mins, before he came back and cleared us to FL200, I believe. We were left with the distinct impression that we had 'busted an altitude' by the way we were directed to 'level immediately' upon arriving on the new frequency. We were distracted for 2-3 hours after this incident by determining how to handle this matter. This controller was too busy. He should have been relieved sooner. The sector is too easy to saturate when a 'bank' of flts leave iad, especially when our company idents flts as xab, xbb, xcb, etc. I will never again not acknowledge an altitude clearance, regardless of the controller's directions.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B757 FLC HAS CLRNC TO CLB TO 17000 FT AND FREQ CHANGE TO NEW CTLR WHO COMMANDS THEM TO LEVEL IMMEDIATELY AFTER CHKING THEIR ALT. THEY LEVELED AT 16600 FT. NO APPARENT TFC CONFLICT OR LOSS OF SEPARATION INDICATED.
Narrative: ON CLBOUT WHILE LEVEL AT ABOUT 13000 FT, THE DEP CTLR BECAME SATURATED WITH RADIO CALLS AND DIRECTED EVERYONE TO 'SHUT-UP,' AND I BELIEVE HE SAID, 'DO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE FURTHER XMISSIONS.' HE THEN CLRED US TO CLB TO 17000 FT. WE ACKNOWLEDGED ACROSS COCKPIT AND SET 17000 FT IN THE ALT ALERT WINDOW, BEGAN THE CLB, BUT DID NOT READ BACK THE CLRNC TO THE CTLR. HE THEN SENT US TO A NEW FREQ. OUR FIRST CALL WAS '...PASSING 16000 FT FOR 17000 FT.' THE NEW CTLR ASKED OUR ALT. WE ADVISED 16600 FT. HE SAID 'LEVEL IMMEDIATELY.' -- ON THE NEW FREQ. THIS WAS NEVER EXPLAINED TO US. WE WERE LEVEL AT 16600 FT FOR ABOUT 2-3 MINS, BEFORE HE CAME BACK AND CLRED US TO FL200, I BELIEVE. WE WERE LEFT WITH THE DISTINCT IMPRESSION THAT WE HAD 'BUSTED AN ALT' BY THE WAY WE WERE DIRECTED TO 'LEVEL IMMEDIATELY' UPON ARRIVING ON THE NEW FREQ. WE WERE DISTRACTED FOR 2-3 HRS AFTER THIS INCIDENT BY DETERMINING HOW TO HANDLE THIS MATTER. THIS CTLR WAS TOO BUSY. HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN RELIEVED SOONER. THE SECTOR IS TOO EASY TO SATURATE WHEN A 'BANK' OF FLTS LEAVE IAD, ESPECIALLY WHEN OUR COMPANY IDENTS FLTS AS XAB, XBB, XCB, ETC. I WILL NEVER AGAIN NOT ACKNOWLEDGE AN ALT CLRNC, REGARDLESS OF THE CTLR'S DIRECTIONS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.