A luscombe silvaire 8E lands at 3az2, az, and ground loops. During this maneuver the aircraft goes o...

Attributes
ACN	396195
Time
Date	199803
Day	Tue
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : 3az2
State Reference	AZ
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tower : dtw
Operator	general aviation : personal
Make Model Name	Silvaire Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	landing other
Flight Plan	None
Person 1
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : single pilot instruction : trainee
Qualification	pilot : private
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 9 flight time total : 91 flight time type : 4
ASRS Report	396195
Person 2
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : single pilot
Qualification	pilot : commercial
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 2 flight time total : 1100 flight time type : 550
ASRS Report	396841
Events
Anomaly	other anomaly other anomaly other other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : unable
Consequence	other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

When I bought a luscombe 8E from the company store I asked the company to provide a certified flight instructor to instruct me until I achieved both competency in the aircraft and 5 hours of time in type in order to meet my insurance requirements. I flew 3.9 hours with X. The company then sent Y to continue my training. We flew from the chandler municipal airport to a private dirt airstrip at the U of a maricopa ag center to practice takeoffs and lndgs. Winds were light to moderate and variable, skies were clear, and visibility was 20 mi. After several touch and goes, we decided to do a full stop wheel landing. The approach and touchdown went smoothly. The tail was going down when the airplane began to swerve. After a couple of moderate oscillations, the aircraft veered hard to the left. I added full right rudder, but the aircraft still pulled left. Y called for power. I added power, still holding full right rudder. The aircraft departed the left side of the runway hitting the 2 ft berm of dirt running the length of the airstrip. The landing gear sheared off and we came to a complete stop 30 ft from the point of impact with the berm. We shut off the gas, the master switch, and the magnetos. The ELT was not activated by the force of the impact. Both Y and I exited the aircraft uninjured. Supplemental information from acn 396841: landing practice was conducted at a private dirt strip. The first landing was a full stall landing/touch and go. The second-fifth lndgs were wheel lndgs (not to a full stop) to work on heading control during transition to tailwheel down for full stop, and all were adequate for control safely stop. The 6TH landing, proposed full stop, control deteriorated below 50 mph (approximately), aircraft started to swerve left. I called to pilot, you ned power and right rudders, get out of here. Pilot added power and right rudder. The tailwheel was still up when aircraft contacted 2 ft berm of edge of runway at approximately 30 degree angle. Aircraft broke both landing gear legs, crossed berm, and came to a stop on the dirt road between the berm and a plowed field, distance from berm approximately 25-30 ft.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: A LUSCOMBE SILVAIRE 8E LANDS AT 3AZ2, AZ, AND GND LOOPS. DURING THIS MANEUVER THE ACFT GOES OFF THE SIDE OF THE RWY AND BREAKS OFF THE LNDG GEAR.

Narrative: WHEN I BOUGHT A LUSCOMBE 8E FROM THE COMPANY STORE I ASKED THE COMPANY TO PROVIDE A CERTIFIED FLT INSTRUCTOR TO INSTRUCT ME UNTIL I ACHIEVED BOTH COMPETENCY IN THE ACFT AND 5 HRS OF TIME IN TYPE IN ORDER TO MEET MY INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS. I FLEW 3.9 HRS WITH X. THE COMPANY THEN SENT Y TO CONTINUE MY TRAINING. WE FLEW FROM THE CHANDLER MUNICIPAL ARPT TO A PVT DIRT AIRSTRIP AT THE U OF A MARICOPA AG CTR TO PRACTICE TKOFS AND LNDGS. WINDS WERE LIGHT TO MODERATE AND VARIABLE, SKIES WERE CLR, AND VISIBILITY WAS 20 MI. AFTER SEVERAL TOUCH AND GOES, WE DECIDED TO DO A FULL STOP WHEEL LNDG. THE APCH AND TOUCHDOWN WENT SMOOTHLY. THE TAIL WAS GOING DOWN WHEN THE AIRPLANE BEGAN TO SWERVE. AFTER A COUPLE OF MODERATE OSCILLATIONS, THE ACFT VEERED HARD TO THE L. I ADDED FULL R RUDDER, BUT THE ACFT STILL PULLED L. Y CALLED FOR PWR. I ADDED PWR, STILL HOLDING FULL R RUDDER. THE ACFT DEPARTED THE L SIDE OF THE RWY HITTING THE 2 FT BERM OF DIRT RUNNING THE LENGTH OF THE AIRSTRIP. THE LNDG GEAR SHEARED OFF AND WE CAME TO A COMPLETE STOP 30 FT FROM THE POINT OF IMPACT WITH THE BERM. WE SHUT OFF THE GAS, THE MASTER SWITCH, AND THE MAGNETOS. THE ELT WAS NOT ACTIVATED BY THE FORCE OF THE IMPACT. BOTH Y AND I EXITED THE ACFT UNINJURED. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 396841: LNDG PRACTICE WAS CONDUCTED AT A PVT DIRT STRIP. THE FIRST LNDG WAS A FULL STALL LNDG/TOUCH AND GO. THE SECOND-FIFTH LNDGS WERE WHEEL LNDGS (NOT TO A FULL STOP) TO WORK ON HEADING CTL DURING TRANSITION TO TAILWHEEL DOWN FOR FULL STOP, AND ALL WERE ADEQUATE FOR CTL SAFELY STOP. THE 6TH LNDG, PROPOSED FULL STOP, CTL DETERIORATED BELOW 50 MPH (APPROX), ACFT STARTED TO SWERVE L. I CALLED TO PLT, YOU NED PWR AND R RUDDERS, GET OUT OF HERE. PLT ADDED PWR AND R RUDDER. THE TAILWHEEL WAS STILL UP WHEN ACFT CONTACTED 2 FT BERM OF EDGE OF RWY AT APPROX 30 DEG ANGLE. ACFT BROKE BOTH LNDG GEAR LEGS, CROSSED BERM, AND CAME TO A STOP ON THE DIRT ROAD BTWN THE BERM AND A PLOWED FIELD, DISTANCE FROM BERM APPROX 25-30 FT.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

A luscombe silvaire 8E lands at 3az2, az, and ground loops. During this maneuver the aircraft goes off the side of the runway and breaks off the landing gear.