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Attributes | |
ACN | 396322 |
Time | |
Date | 199803 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : lga airport : jfk |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 15000 msl bound upper : 17000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-83 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : direct enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 70 flight time total : 4500 flight time type : 320 |
ASRS Report | 396322 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 80 flight time total : 19600 flight time type : 650 |
ASRS Report | 396538 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 9000 vertical : 300 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
After departure from jfk, we were level at 17000 ft on radar vectors from departure control. We were on a heading of 330 degree assigned, when cleared direct to sparta VOR (sax). While in the left turn to sax, a target appeared on TCASII showing level at 17000 ft, approximately 8 NM ahead. I did not notice the direction of travel, as I was looking outside to try to make visual contact. At this time, we were in a haze layer that restr visibility to approximately 2 NM. I then heard the TCASII RA to 'descend, descend now.' the captain disconnected the autoplt and pitched the aircraft to the descent target value indicated. At the same time, I heard ATC instruct the other aircraft to descend to 16000 ft. They replied that they had a TCASII RA to climb. As we continued to descend, the other aircraft got closer and I noticed that it was showing 300-500 ft below us and descending. At this point the captain leveled our aircraft at 15000 ft and the other aircraft passed under us and left our 4 O'clock position. The TCASII then announced 'clear of conflict.' we then climbed back to 17000 ft. I believe what contributed to this incident further was the other aircraft following ATC's instructions to descend, instead of climbing as TCASII instructed and we are trained to respond to TCASII. The only visual contact with the other aircraft was when it was departing our area at the 4 O'clock position.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: 2 ACR ACFT MISS EACH OTHER BY AN UNKNOWN DISTANCE, ALLEGED TO BE 1 AND ONE HALF MI HORIZLY AND 300 FT VERTLY BY THE FLC. ATC RECORDS NO LOSS OF SEPARATION. XING TFC, INITIALLY AT 17000 FT. ATC HAD DSNDED ACR Y TO 16000 FT JUST AS THE TCASII RA'S HAD MADE A RESOLUTION DETERMINATION FOR BOTH ACFT.
Narrative: AFTER DEP FROM JFK, WE WERE LEVEL AT 17000 FT ON RADAR VECTORS FROM DEP CTL. WE WERE ON A HDG OF 330 DEG ASSIGNED, WHEN CLRED DIRECT TO SPARTA VOR (SAX). WHILE IN THE L TURN TO SAX, A TARGET APPEARED ON TCASII SHOWING LEVEL AT 17000 FT, APPROX 8 NM AHEAD. I DID NOT NOTICE THE DIRECTION OF TRAVEL, AS I WAS LOOKING OUTSIDE TO TRY TO MAKE VISUAL CONTACT. AT THIS TIME, WE WERE IN A HAZE LAYER THAT RESTR VISIBILITY TO APPROX 2 NM. I THEN HEARD THE TCASII RA TO 'DSND, DSND NOW.' THE CAPT DISCONNECTED THE AUTOPLT AND PITCHED THE ACFT TO THE DSCNT TARGET VALUE INDICATED. AT THE SAME TIME, I HEARD ATC INSTRUCT THE OTHER ACFT TO DSND TO 16000 FT. THEY REPLIED THAT THEY HAD A TCASII RA TO CLB. AS WE CONTINUED TO DSND, THE OTHER ACFT GOT CLOSER AND I NOTICED THAT IT WAS SHOWING 300-500 FT BELOW US AND DSNDING. AT THIS POINT THE CAPT LEVELED OUR ACFT AT 15000 FT AND THE OTHER ACFT PASSED UNDER US AND LEFT OUR 4 O'CLOCK POS. THE TCASII THEN ANNOUNCED 'CLR OF CONFLICT.' WE THEN CLBED BACK TO 17000 FT. I BELIEVE WHAT CONTRIBUTED TO THIS INCIDENT FURTHER WAS THE OTHER ACFT FOLLOWING ATC'S INSTRUCTIONS TO DSND, INSTEAD OF CLBING AS TCASII INSTRUCTED AND WE ARE TRAINED TO RESPOND TO TCASII. THE ONLY VISUAL CONTACT WITH THE OTHER ACFT WAS WHEN IT WAS DEPARTING OUR AREA AT THE 4 O'CLOCK POS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.