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Attributes | |
ACN | 398109 |
Time | |
Date | 199803 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : iad |
State Reference | DC |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : iad |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Jetstream 32 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
Route In Use | departure other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 116 flight time total : 3264 flight time type : 1400 |
ASRS Report | 398109 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 85 flight time total : 6200 flight time type : 2200 |
ASRS Report | 397682 |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
I received a letter from iad FSDO stating I was being investigated for taking off at iad on mar/xa/98 without a takeoff clearance. I was the acting sic. This was the first indication I had received for allegedly taking off without a clearance. I contacted my captain and discussed that particular flight. None of us have any recollection of taking off without a clearance or anything happening out of the ordinary. Iad controllers never mentioned a thing to us, if in fact we did take off without a clearance. I can't really say what happened, because I wasn't aware of a problem. If in fact it did happen, I have some suggestions regarding the checklists we have for the J32. The takeoff checklist is divided into 2 sections. The first part includes flight controls, TCASII, transponder and ice protection, which is usually done when you're cleared into position. The second part includes heading/response from both crew members, flows, lights and speed, which is done after you've been cleared for takeoff. The only time you'd do both, is if you're cleared for takeoff right off the bat. To me, all could be done during the taxi check or as you're holding short. There is way too much talking going on during this critical part of the flight. In my opinion, the only thing done on the runway should be bringing up the speeds and turning on the lights. In conclusion, we are still waiting to hear the tapes -- if any exist. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the incident is still under investigation. The chief pilot has heard the tapes but has not informed the reporter of what was heard.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ALLEGED INCIDENT OF A BA32 COMMUTER'S TKOF WITHOUT CLRNC.
Narrative: I RECEIVED A LETTER FROM IAD FSDO STATING I WAS BEING INVESTIGATED FOR TAKING OFF AT IAD ON MAR/XA/98 WITHOUT A TKOF CLRNC. I WAS THE ACTING SIC. THIS WAS THE FIRST INDICATION I HAD RECEIVED FOR ALLEGEDLY TAKING OFF WITHOUT A CLRNC. I CONTACTED MY CAPT AND DISCUSSED THAT PARTICULAR FLT. NONE OF US HAVE ANY RECOLLECTION OF TAKING OFF WITHOUT A CLRNC OR ANYTHING HAPPENING OUT OF THE ORDINARY. IAD CTLRS NEVER MENTIONED A THING TO US, IF IN FACT WE DID TAKE OFF WITHOUT A CLRNC. I CAN'T REALLY SAY WHAT HAPPENED, BECAUSE I WASN'T AWARE OF A PROB. IF IN FACT IT DID HAPPEN, I HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS REGARDING THE CHKLISTS WE HAVE FOR THE J32. THE TKOF CHKLIST IS DIVIDED INTO 2 SECTIONS. THE FIRST PART INCLUDES FLT CTLS, TCASII, XPONDER AND ICE PROTECTION, WHICH IS USUALLY DONE WHEN YOU'RE CLRED INTO POS. THE SECOND PART INCLUDES HDG/RESPONSE FROM BOTH CREW MEMBERS, FLOWS, LIGHTS AND SPD, WHICH IS DONE AFTER YOU'VE BEEN CLRED FOR TKOF. THE ONLY TIME YOU'D DO BOTH, IS IF YOU'RE CLRED FOR TKOF RIGHT OFF THE BAT. TO ME, ALL COULD BE DONE DURING THE TAXI CHK OR AS YOU'RE HOLDING SHORT. THERE IS WAY TOO MUCH TALKING GOING ON DURING THIS CRITICAL PART OF THE FLT. IN MY OPINION, THE ONLY THING DONE ON THE RWY SHOULD BE BRINGING UP THE SPDS AND TURNING ON THE LIGHTS. IN CONCLUSION, WE ARE STILL WAITING TO HEAR THE TAPES -- IF ANY EXIST. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE INCIDENT IS STILL UNDER INVESTIGATION. THE CHIEF PLT HAS HEARD THE TAPES BUT HAS NOT INFORMED THE RPTR OF WHAT WAS HEARD.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.