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A beech 36 pilot report on the difficulty in making the non standard departure procedure from vgt over the las VOR. Reporter wants a radar departure procedure versus the one issued. Reporter suffered an altitude bust on the departure.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 398908 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199804 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : vgt |
| State Reference | NV |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 4400 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : las |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | Bonanza 36 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other |
| Route In Use | departure other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 500 |
| ASRS Report | 398908 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : departure |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course flight crew : became reoriented none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
We copied clearance twice to be sure, as included in clearance was a statement that this was a published departure. Only the part from over the las VOR is mentioned in the SID for las airport. Our clearance was: takeoff runway 25, turn left to 220 degrees to the las 300 degree radial inbound to the VOR at 4000 ft then out V105. Sounds easy, but north las airport is only 7 mi from las VOR. Even in an A36 beech this is not enough time to climb to 4000 ft, fly 220 degrees, intercept 300 degree radial of VOR and then turn to 251 degrees the outbound leg of V105. Las approach/departure was very helpful but still we have found that departures from outlying fields are a hazard and departure clrncs should be attainable standards, maybe at least one radar departure for each airport.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A BEECH 36 PLT RPT ON THE DIFFICULTY IN MAKING THE NON STANDARD DEP PROC FROM VGT OVER THE LAS VOR. RPTR WANTS A RADAR DEP PROC VERSUS THE ONE ISSUED. RPTR SUFFERED AN ALT BUST ON THE DEP.
Narrative: WE COPIED CLRNC TWICE TO BE SURE, AS INCLUDED IN CLRNC WAS A STATEMENT THAT THIS WAS A PUBLISHED DEP. ONLY THE PART FROM OVER THE LAS VOR IS MENTIONED IN THE SID FOR LAS ARPT. OUR CLRNC WAS: TKOF RWY 25, TURN L TO 220 DEGS TO THE LAS 300 DEG RADIAL INBOUND TO THE VOR AT 4000 FT THEN OUT V105. SOUNDS EASY, BUT N LAS ARPT IS ONLY 7 MI FROM LAS VOR. EVEN IN AN A36 BEECH THIS IS NOT ENOUGH TIME TO CLB TO 4000 FT, FLY 220 DEGS, INTERCEPT 300 DEG RADIAL OF VOR AND THEN TURN TO 251 DEGS THE OUTBOUND LEG OF V105. LAS APCH/DEP WAS VERY HELPFUL BUT STILL WE HAVE FOUND THAT DEPS FROM OUTLYING FIELDS ARE A HAZARD AND DEP CLRNCS SHOULD BE ATTAINABLE STANDARDS, MAYBE AT LEAST ONE RADAR DEP FOR EACH ARPT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.