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Attributes | |
ACN | 399979 |
Time | |
Date | 199804 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : jfk |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10500 msl bound upper : 10500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny tracon : n90 |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B747 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | other : unknown |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 2100 |
ASRS Report | 399979 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
We were climbing through 10000 ft MSL on a 010 degree heading. ATC advised us of traffic at 1 O'clock position at 10500 ft. I started to question her (ATC) about the distance of the traffic. Her reply was to turn to a heading of 080 degrees. Because of traffic at 1 O'clock position, I questioned the heading of 080 degrees. She repeated the 080 degree heading again. The captain started to turn to 080 degrees. At that time, our TCASII told us to climb, climb. I saw the traffic on TCASII 100 ft below us and started to look outside at the 12:30 O'clock position. I did not see our traffic. I looked at the TCASII again and noticed it inside the inner scale at 00 ft. ATC then repeated, 'turn left, 340 degrees.' traffic passed under us on TCASII with 100 ft indicted. We never saw our traffic. I told ATC about the TCASII and said, that heading to 080 degrees was a bad heading and that was very, very close. ATC later claims that the traffic was 1500 ft below us and 1 1/2 mi away -- totally false.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B747 CLBING IS ISSUED A TA AND A HEADING WHICH CAUSES TCASII TO ACTIVATE. CTLR THEN ISSUES A SECOND VECTOR.
Narrative: WE WERE CLBING THROUGH 10000 FT MSL ON A 010 DEG HDG. ATC ADVISED US OF TFC AT 1 O'CLOCK POS AT 10500 FT. I STARTED TO QUESTION HER (ATC) ABOUT THE DISTANCE OF THE TFC. HER REPLY WAS TO TURN TO A HDG OF 080 DEGS. BECAUSE OF TFC AT 1 O'CLOCK POS, I QUESTIONED THE HDG OF 080 DEGS. SHE REPEATED THE 080 DEG HDG AGAIN. THE CAPT STARTED TO TURN TO 080 DEGS. AT THAT TIME, OUR TCASII TOLD US TO CLB, CLB. I SAW THE TFC ON TCASII 100 FT BELOW US AND STARTED TO LOOK OUTSIDE AT THE 12:30 O'CLOCK POS. I DID NOT SEE OUR TFC. I LOOKED AT THE TCASII AGAIN AND NOTICED IT INSIDE THE INNER SCALE AT 00 FT. ATC THEN REPEATED, 'TURN L, 340 DEGS.' TFC PASSED UNDER US ON TCASII WITH 100 FT INDICTED. WE NEVER SAW OUR TFC. I TOLD ATC ABOUT THE TCASII AND SAID, THAT HDG TO 080 DEGS WAS A BAD HEADING AND THAT WAS VERY, VERY CLOSE. ATC LATER CLAIMS THAT THE TFC WAS 1500 FT BELOW US AND 1 1/2 MI AWAY -- TOTALLY FALSE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.