MD80 flight crew is asked if they can turn off the runway at taxiway north. As they begin the turn c...

Narrative:

Landed runway 36 dca. During rollout on runway 36 tower asks if we can make taxiway north. We reply yes. As we approach taxiway north exiting runway 36 tower says to hold short of runway 33. Not a problem since I am turning off on taxiway north. However I see that we are crossing the lahso hold lines for runway 33 as we turn on taxiway north. If tower wanted me to hold short of the lahso lines it was too late. To hold short of these lines you could not exit on taxiway north. You would have to stop on runway 36 pointed at taxiway north. I called the tower by phone to make sure we did what the tower wanted us to do. Talking to the dca tower he explained that they did not want us to roll through runway 33 which we did not. I explained to him that when turning off of runway 36 on to taxiway north. If tower says to hold short of runway 33 you would have to stop on runway 36. He said no problem, that we did what we were supposed to do. My point is, that with traffic to depart runway 33, landing traffic behind us on runway 36 with the hold lines at taxiway north if I had more time to see the hold lines I would have stopped on runway 36. Probably causing a go around for the traffic behind us and not doing what the tower expected us to do. P.south. We were not doing a lahso operation. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter stated this is a confusing situation due to the placement of the hold lines. These are yellow hold lines painted on the runway along with red runway signage on each side of the runway. Had reporter seen them sooner he would have stopped right on the runway as stated. Reporter feels there is room to move these lines beyond taxiway north and still allow enough distance to remain short of runway 15-33. There was no violation in this instance and reporter feels the controller just wanted to affirm that they were turning off at taxiway north as directed. The MD80 was light and there was no trouble turning as directed but had they been heavy it might have been different. Company did get back to the reporter in 4 days and indicated they would take the matter up with their ATC liaison person.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: MD80 FLC IS ASKED IF THEY CAN TURN OFF THE RWY AT TXWY N. AS THEY BEGIN THE TURN CTLR SAYS TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 33. AT THIS POINT THEY HAVE CROSSED THE HOLD LINES PAINTED ON THE RWY FOR LAHSO OPERATIONS. THEY CONTINUE THE TURN.

Narrative: LANDED RWY 36 DCA. DURING ROLLOUT ON RWY 36 TWR ASKS IF WE CAN MAKE TXWY N. WE REPLY YES. AS WE APPROACH TXWY N EXITING RWY 36 TWR SAYS TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 33. NOT A PROB SINCE I AM TURNING OFF ON TXWY N. HOWEVER I SEE THAT WE ARE CROSSING THE LAHSO HOLD LINES FOR RWY 33 AS WE TURN ON TXWY N. IF TWR WANTED ME TO HOLD SHORT OF THE LAHSO LINES IT WAS TOO LATE. TO HOLD SHORT OF THESE LINES YOU COULD NOT EXIT ON TXWY N. YOU WOULD HAVE TO STOP ON RWY 36 POINTED AT TXWY N. I CALLED THE TWR BY PHONE TO MAKE SURE WE DID WHAT THE TWR WANTED US TO DO. TALKING TO THE DCA TWR HE EXPLAINED THAT THEY DID NOT WANT US TO ROLL THROUGH RWY 33 WHICH WE DID NOT. I EXPLAINED TO HIM THAT WHEN TURNING OFF OF RWY 36 ON TO TXWY N. IF TWR SAYS TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 33 YOU WOULD HAVE TO STOP ON RWY 36. HE SAID NO PROB, THAT WE DID WHAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO. MY POINT IS, THAT WITH TFC TO DEPART RWY 33, LNDG TFC BEHIND US ON RWY 36 WITH THE HOLD LINES AT TXWY N IF I HAD MORE TIME TO SEE THE HOLD LINES I WOULD HAVE STOPPED ON RWY 36. PROBABLY CAUSING A GAR FOR THE TFC BEHIND US AND NOT DOING WHAT THE TWR EXPECTED US TO DO. P.S. WE WERE NOT DOING A LAHSO OPERATION. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATED THIS IS A CONFUSING SITUATION DUE TO THE PLACEMENT OF THE HOLD LINES. THESE ARE YELLOW HOLD LINES PAINTED ON THE RWY ALONG WITH RED RWY SIGNAGE ON EACH SIDE OF THE RWY. HAD RPTR SEEN THEM SOONER HE WOULD HAVE STOPPED RIGHT ON THE RWY AS STATED. RPTR FEELS THERE IS ROOM TO MOVE THESE LINES BEYOND TXWY N AND STILL ALLOW ENOUGH DISTANCE TO REMAIN SHORT OF RWY 15-33. THERE WAS NO VIOLATION IN THIS INSTANCE AND RPTR FEELS THE CTLR JUST WANTED TO AFFIRM THAT THEY WERE TURNING OFF AT TXWY N AS DIRECTED. THE MD80 WAS LIGHT AND THERE WAS NO TROUBLE TURNING AS DIRECTED BUT HAD THEY BEEN HEAVY IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT. COMPANY DID GET BACK TO THE RPTR IN 4 DAYS AND INDICATED THEY WOULD TAKE THE MATTER UP WITH THEIR ATC LIAISON PERSON.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Attributes
ACN	400997
Time
Date	199804
Day	Tue
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	airport : dca
State Reference	DC
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	MD-80 Super 80
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	Other Other
Flight Phase	landing other
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
ASRS Report	400997
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : instrument
Events
Anomaly	other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : insufficient time
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Air Traffic Incident	other
Situations
ATC Facility	procedure or policy : unspecified
Airport	other physical facility

MD80 flight crew is asked if they can turn off the runway at taxiway north. As they begin the turn controller says to hold short of runway 33. At this point they have crossed the hold lines painted on the runway for lahso operations. They continue the turn.