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Attributes | |
ACN | 401200 |
Time | |
Date | 199805 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : pit |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 21000 msl bound upper : 22500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zjx |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Challenger CL604 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 8500 flight time type : 200 |
ASRS Report | 401200 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : undershoot non adherence : clearance non adherence : far other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted none taken : detected after the fact other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Captain was flying this leg from cvg-mco. Routing took us from szw VOR to pie VOR and then the minee 3 arrival into mco. This is an unusual routing for us, and captain had manually programmed the FMS for this flight. My suspicion is that after pie VOR, he simply typed in minee, and so the flight plan in the FMS had us fly from pie direct to minee intersection and then to mco. He should have selected mco arrs, and then selected the minee 3 arrival. That way, the FMS would have planned us to fly the correct routing for the minee arrival. We did not catch his error and after pie VOR, center asked us twice about our routing. He said that a company airplane had made the same mistake the night before, and they had almost had a conflict. We did not have any conflict (as far as I know) and no evasive action was taken. Supplemental information from acn 401203: center told us to descend to cross pie VOR at FL210. By the time we crossed pie VOR we were still descending through FL225 on the way to FL210. I queried the captain about the crossing restr about 10 mi before pie VOR, and he replied that he was not aware of any crossing restr. He did not heed my advice on the matter. ATC was busy at the time, so I could not verify the situation with them on the radio. The next time this occurs, I will be much more assertive in verifying my opinions about these matters.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR CL65 FO RPTS THAT THE CAPT HAD PROGRAMMED THE FMC TO FLY THE WRONG RTE BY ENTERING A DIRECT RTE VS THE STAR RTE TO THEIR DESTINATION.
Narrative: CAPT WAS FLYING THIS LEG FROM CVG-MCO. ROUTING TOOK US FROM SZW VOR TO PIE VOR AND THEN THE MINEE 3 ARR INTO MCO. THIS IS AN UNUSUAL ROUTING FOR US, AND CAPT HAD MANUALLY PROGRAMMED THE FMS FOR THIS FLT. MY SUSPICION IS THAT AFTER PIE VOR, HE SIMPLY TYPED IN MINEE, AND SO THE FLT PLAN IN THE FMS HAD US FLY FROM PIE DIRECT TO MINEE INTXN AND THEN TO MCO. HE SHOULD HAVE SELECTED MCO ARRS, AND THEN SELECTED THE MINEE 3 ARR. THAT WAY, THE FMS WOULD HAVE PLANNED US TO FLY THE CORRECT ROUTING FOR THE MINEE ARR. WE DID NOT CATCH HIS ERROR AND AFTER PIE VOR, CTR ASKED US TWICE ABOUT OUR ROUTING. HE SAID THAT A COMPANY AIRPLANE HAD MADE THE SAME MISTAKE THE NIGHT BEFORE, AND THEY HAD ALMOST HAD A CONFLICT. WE DID NOT HAVE ANY CONFLICT (AS FAR AS I KNOW) AND NO EVASIVE ACTION WAS TAKEN. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 401203: CTR TOLD US TO DSND TO CROSS PIE VOR AT FL210. BY THE TIME WE CROSSED PIE VOR WE WERE STILL DSNDING THROUGH FL225 ON THE WAY TO FL210. I QUERIED THE CAPT ABOUT THE XING RESTR ABOUT 10 MI BEFORE PIE VOR, AND HE REPLIED THAT HE WAS NOT AWARE OF ANY XING RESTR. HE DID NOT HEED MY ADVICE ON THE MATTER. ATC WAS BUSY AT THE TIME, SO I COULD NOT VERIFY THE SIT WITH THEM ON THE RADIO. THE NEXT TIME THIS OCCURS, I WILL BE MUCH MORE ASSERTIVE IN VERIFYING MY OPINIONS ABOUT THESE MATTERS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.