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Attributes | |
ACN | 401553 |
Time | |
Date | 199805 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dfw |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 225 flight time total : 21000 flight time type : 750 |
ASRS Report | 401553 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : became reoriented |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
Airport | other physical facility |
Narrative:
Taxied out for a morning departure at dfw airport. Exited ramp at G5 cleared north on taxiway G, right turn on taxiway Y (going east) to contact east ground on yankee bridge. First officer initiated radio contact with east ground and we then received a clearance to runway 17R. Approximately 30 seconds later another clearance was issued taxiway yankee to taxiway juliet to ef. First officer missed clearance as he was busy getting final numbers and doing taxi checklist. Taxiing east on taxiway yankee I was unable to find any sign for taxiway J. I saw one air carrier at end of runway awaiting departure and another stopped at K and Z txwys facing northbound appeared to be waiting for us. As we turned northbound into the runup area east ground told us we had cut aircraft (stopped) off and we were encroaching on taxiway K thru runup area. I apologized if I got in their way -- but not any evasive action had to be taken. Unless you are very familiar with this area, it is extremely difficult to tell where you are! (Again taxiway J is not marked.) there are no markings on tarmac where taxiway Y turns north on txwys K or left. Lead-INS should be marked with large lettering at the turns or the taxi route color coded as at houston hobby. This is extremely confusing to those who are not familiar with dfw. No conflict really occurred even though the east ground controller made a big fuss over nothing. I believe color coding the taxi routes through the runup area is a much better alternative north of taxiway Y. If something is not corrected, eventually a real problem will occur.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A MD-80 FLC TAXIS FROM GATE TO TKOF RWY AND MOVES IN FRONT OF ANOTHER ACFT APPROACHING THE SAME RWY FOR DEP. THIS OCCURRED AT DFW, TX.
Narrative: TAXIED OUT FOR A MORNING DEP AT DFW ARPT. EXITED RAMP AT G5 CLRED N ON TXWY G, R TURN ON TXWY Y (GOING E) TO CONTACT E GND ON YANKEE BRIDGE. FO INITIATED RADIO CONTACT WITH E GND AND WE THEN RECEIVED A CLRNC TO RWY 17R. APPROXIMATELY 30 SECONDS LATER ANOTHER CLRNC WAS ISSUED TXWY YANKEE TO TXWY JULIET TO EF. FO MISSED CLRNC AS HE WAS BUSY GETTING FINAL NUMBERS AND DOING TAXI CHECKLIST. TAXIING E ON TXWY YANKEE I WAS UNABLE TO FIND ANY SIGN FOR TXWY J. I SAW ONE ACR AT END OF RWY AWAITING DEP AND ANOTHER STOPPED AT K AND Z TXWYS FACING NBND APPEARED TO BE WAITING FOR US. AS WE TURNED NBND INTO THE RUNUP AREA E GND TOLD US WE HAD CUT ACFT (STOPPED) OFF AND WE WERE ENCROACHING ON TXWY K THRU RUNUP AREA. I APOLOGIZED IF I GOT IN THEIR WAY -- BUT NOT ANY EVASIVE ACTION HAD TO BE TAKEN. UNLESS YOU ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA, IT IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO TELL WHERE YOU ARE! (AGAIN TXWY J IS NOT MARKED.) THERE ARE NO MARKINGS ON TARMAC WHERE TXWY Y TURNS N ON TXWYS K OR L. LEAD-INS SHOULD BE MARKED WITH LARGE LETTERING AT THE TURNS OR THE TAXI ROUTE COLOR CODED AS AT HOUSTON HOBBY. THIS IS EXTREMELY CONFUSING TO THOSE WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH DFW. NO CONFLICT REALLY OCCURRED EVEN THOUGH THE E GND CTLR MADE A BIG FUSS OVER NOTHING. I BELIEVE COLOR CODING THE TAXI ROUTES THROUGH THE RUNUP AREA IS A MUCH BETTER ALTERNATIVE N OF TXWY Y. IF SOMETHING IS NOT CORRECTED, EVENTUALLY A REAL PROBLEM WILL OCCUR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.