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Attributes | |
ACN | 401833 |
Time | |
Date | 199805 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : jfk |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 13000 msl bound upper : 31000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny tracon : n90 |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B747-C/F |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 18000 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 401833 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Air Traffic Incident | Inter Facility Coordination Failure other |
Narrative:
On a rerelease flight from ams to jfk, had required fuel upon arrival in airport vicinity, but not enough to hold. Started vectors to airport and descent. Due to thunderstorms approach control told us that there was now an indefinite delay, and to expect holding. We requested clearance to our alternate of phl and declared 'fuel critical' as now we did not have adequate reserves to accept a lengthy vector en route. As approach turned us south, they said that they could now get us into jfk. We accepted and landed without further delay. Arrival fuel was 21000. Once we were cleared back to jfk we were no longer 'fuel critical.' the FAA does not appear to understand this. They felt that we declared an emergency. The situation was only critical if we had to divert after lengthy, low altitude vectoring. This type of pressure might force a pilot to not declare 'fuel critical.' our company does not have a 'definitions' sections in the manual. My chief pilot said I should have said 'minimum fuel.' not quite sure of the difference.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B747 CREW ARRIVES AT JFK AFTER OCEAN XING AND IS TOLD THEY HAVE INDEFINITE DELAYS. THEY THEN REQUEST CLRNC TO THEIR ALTERNATE, AND BECAUSE THEY ARE NOW FLYING AT LOW ALT FUEL BECOMES CRITICAL.
Narrative: ON A RERELEASE FLT FROM AMS TO JFK, HAD REQUIRED FUEL UPON ARR IN ARPT VICINITY, BUT NOT ENOUGH TO HOLD. STARTED VECTORS TO ARPT AND DSCNT. DUE TO TSTMS APCH CTL TOLD US THAT THERE WAS NOW AN INDEFINITE DELAY, AND TO EXPECT HOLDING. WE REQUESTED CLRNC TO OUR ALTERNATE OF PHL AND DECLARED 'FUEL CRITICAL' AS NOW WE DID NOT HAVE ADEQUATE RESERVES TO ACCEPT A LENGTHY VECTOR ENRTE. AS APCH TURNED US S, THEY SAID THAT THEY COULD NOW GET US INTO JFK. WE ACCEPTED AND LANDED WITHOUT FURTHER DELAY. ARR FUEL WAS 21000. ONCE WE WERE CLRED BACK TO JFK WE WERE NO LONGER 'FUEL CRITICAL.' THE FAA DOES NOT APPEAR TO UNDERSTAND THIS. THEY FELT THAT WE DECLARED AN EMER. THE SIT WAS ONLY CRITICAL IF WE HAD TO DIVERT AFTER LENGTHY, LOW ALT VECTORING. THIS TYPE OF PRESSURE MIGHT FORCE A PLT TO NOT DECLARE 'FUEL CRITICAL.' OUR COMPANY DOES NOT HAVE A 'DEFINITIONS' SECTIONS IN THE MANUAL. MY CHIEF PLT SAID I SHOULD HAVE SAID 'MINIMUM FUEL.' NOT QUITE SURE OF THE DIFFERENCE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.