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Attributes | |
ACN | 402010 |
Time | |
Date | 199805 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 2100 |
ASRS Report | 402010 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other anomaly other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Taxi in at lax after round-trip to ogg. Taxied without clearance twice. First incident occurred at txwys south and C. We were told to hold short of taxiway C because our gate was occupied. Ground clearly told us to hold short of taxiway C and I read back the clearance. We sorted out our gate problem prior to reaching taxiway C and the captain said he was going to continue and to advise ground. I was unable to contact ground prior to our turn onto taxiway C. It turns out the captain didn't get the clearance to hold short of taxiway C. I should have spoken up when he said he was going to continue. Second incident was abeam terminal on taxiway C. We were told by our ramp that our gate was occupied. Ground told us to hold short of C8. It turns out our gate was wide open. We had been holding short of C8 for 5 mins, when we realized that the gate was open and our ramp was mistaken -- we also saw our guideman waving us on -- the captain added power and started to the gate without clearance from ground. The mistakes were caused by miscom, confusion and fatigue. I also should have spoken up when I didn't like the captain's idea to continue onto taxiway C from taxiway south.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AFTER LNDG AT LAX AND TAXIING TO TERMINAL, GND CTL INSTRUCTED THE PLT TO HOLD SHORT OF A TXWY ON TWO DIFFERENT OCCASIONS. IN EACH INSTANCE, THE CAPT AND THE FO WERE NOT COMMUNICATING TOO WELL AND TAXIED TO THE GATE WITHOUT CLRNC.
Narrative: TAXI IN AT LAX AFTER ROUND-TRIP TO OGG. TAXIED WITHOUT CLRNC TWICE. FIRST INCIDENT OCCURRED AT TXWYS S AND C. WE WERE TOLD TO HOLD SHORT OF TXWY C BECAUSE OUR GATE WAS OCCUPIED. GND CLRLY TOLD US TO HOLD SHORT OF TXWY C AND I READ BACK THE CLRNC. WE SORTED OUT OUR GATE PROB PRIOR TO REACHING TXWY C AND THE CAPT SAID HE WAS GOING TO CONTINUE AND TO ADVISE GND. I WAS UNABLE TO CONTACT GND PRIOR TO OUR TURN ONTO TXWY C. IT TURNS OUT THE CAPT DIDN'T GET THE CLRNC TO HOLD SHORT OF TXWY C. I SHOULD HAVE SPOKEN UP WHEN HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO CONTINUE. SECOND INCIDENT WAS ABEAM TERMINAL ON TXWY C. WE WERE TOLD BY OUR RAMP THAT OUR GATE WAS OCCUPIED. GND TOLD US TO HOLD SHORT OF C8. IT TURNS OUT OUR GATE WAS WIDE OPEN. WE HAD BEEN HOLDING SHORT OF C8 FOR 5 MINS, WHEN WE REALIZED THAT THE GATE WAS OPEN AND OUR RAMP WAS MISTAKEN -- WE ALSO SAW OUR GUIDEMAN WAVING US ON -- THE CAPT ADDED PWR AND STARTED TO THE GATE WITHOUT CLRNC FROM GND. THE MISTAKES WERE CAUSED BY MISCOM, CONFUSION AND FATIGUE. I ALSO SHOULD HAVE SPOKEN UP WHEN I DIDN'T LIKE THE CAPT'S IDEA TO CONTINUE ONTO TXWY C FROM TXWY S.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.