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Attributes | |
ACN | 402470 |
Time | |
Date | 199805 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : lrp airport : phl |
State Reference | PA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 9000 msl bound upper : 10000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Challenger CL604 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors enroute airway : phl |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | other other : other pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 195 flight time total : 2380 flight time type : 195 |
ASRS Report | 402470 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
The captain I was flying with had only about 35 hours in type and told me this very honestly in his briefing before our first leg. He asked that I watch closely and tell him if I saw anything about to go awry. Throughout the trip, we worked as a team to help each other. It just so happened that on this leg he was the PF and I noticed an impending airspeed problem. Phl approach had cleared us to descend from some altitude above 10000 ft down through 10000 ft to 9000 ft. We were completing the descent checklist when I looked up and saw us descending through 11000 ft for 9000 ft and still at cruise/high speed of approximately 320 KIAS. I immediately said, 'approaching 10000 ft, we need to slow to 250 KTS.' at that point, the captain dialed a slower descent rate into the autoplt in order to pitch us up and slow. Power was near idle. As the autoplt slowly pitched up, I saw that much more aggressive corrective action was going to be required not to bust the 250 KIAS speed limit at 10000 ft. At 10500 ft I said, 'approaching 10000 ft, recommend disengage autoplt and pitch up.' he did, and we slowed nicely to about 250 KTS in the area of 10000 ft. ATC had no complaints.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT OF A CANADAIR CL65 REGIONAL JET FAILED TO STOP HIS HIGH SPD DSCNT AT THE 10000 FT ALT IN TIME TO MEET THE 250 KT SPD RESTR, BUT ALMOST ON HIS WAY TO 9000 FT. SINCE HE HAD VERY LITTLE EXPERIENCE IN THE ACFT, HE SOLICITED THE HELP OF THE RPTING FO WHO DID GIVE HIM ALT READOUTS AND INSTRUCTED HIM TO DISENGAGE THE AUTOPLT AND PITCH UP TO SLOW DOWN.
Narrative: THE CAPT I WAS FLYING WITH HAD ONLY ABOUT 35 HRS IN TYPE AND TOLD ME THIS VERY HONESTLY IN HIS BRIEFING BEFORE OUR FIRST LEG. HE ASKED THAT I WATCH CLOSELY AND TELL HIM IF I SAW ANYTHING ABOUT TO GO AWRY. THROUGHOUT THE TRIP, WE WORKED AS A TEAM TO HELP EACH OTHER. IT JUST SO HAPPENED THAT ON THIS LEG HE WAS THE PF AND I NOTICED AN IMPENDING AIRSPD PROB. PHL APCH HAD CLRED US TO DSND FROM SOME ALT ABOVE 10000 FT DOWN THROUGH 10000 FT TO 9000 FT. WE WERE COMPLETING THE DSCNT CHKLIST WHEN I LOOKED UP AND SAW US DSNDING THROUGH 11000 FT FOR 9000 FT AND STILL AT CRUISE/HIGH SPD OF APPROX 320 KIAS. I IMMEDIATELY SAID, 'APCHING 10000 FT, WE NEED TO SLOW TO 250 KTS.' AT THAT POINT, THE CAPT DIALED A SLOWER DSCNT RATE INTO THE AUTOPLT IN ORDER TO PITCH US UP AND SLOW. PWR WAS NEAR IDLE. AS THE AUTOPLT SLOWLY PITCHED UP, I SAW THAT MUCH MORE AGGRESSIVE CORRECTIVE ACTION WAS GOING TO BE REQUIRED NOT TO BUST THE 250 KIAS SPD LIMIT AT 10000 FT. AT 10500 FT I SAID, 'APCHING 10000 FT, RECOMMEND DISENGAGE AUTOPLT AND PITCH UP.' HE DID, AND WE SLOWED NICELY TO ABOUT 250 KTS IN THE AREA OF 10000 FT. ATC HAD NO COMPLAINTS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.