Flight instructor inbound to blv airport with parallel runways and requests an ILS approach on a run...

Attributes
ACN	402542
Time
Date	199805
Day	Sun
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : blv
State Reference	MO
Altitude	msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : stl
Operator	general aviation : instructional
Make Model Name	Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	descent : approach descent other landing : missed approach
Route In Use	approach : visual enroute : on vectors
Flight Plan	VFR
Person 1
Affiliation	Other
Function	instruction : instructor
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : cfi
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 37 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 250
ASRS Report	402542
Person 2
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : single pilot instruction : trainee
Qualification	other other : other
Events
Anomaly	other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : unable
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

On may/xa/98 I was conducting an instrument training flight with a student. I planned to fly IFR to the 'new' midamerica airport. I suspected this airport would have some problems because it was only recently opened and it is co-located with a military airport (scott AFB). Because of this, I was particularly diligent to get NOTAMS including fdc NOTAMS from st louis FSS before departing. The specialist gave me 3 NOTAMS. 1) runway 14R/32L was closed. 2) the beacon was nonstandard because it had not been converted from the military type. 3) the MDA's for the ILS runway 14R approach had been increased. The specialist also started to give me GPS NOTAMS, but I stopped her and told her we were not GPS equipped. I then specifically asked if the ILS runway 14R approach would be available because runway 14R was closed. She told me the approach would be available. We departed and called st louis approach in the air for our clearance. We were cleared to midamerica airport via radar vectors. The controller asked us what approach we wanted at midamerica. We told him ILS runway 14R. He said runway 14R was closed. I told him that was ok because we only wanted to shoot the approach to a missed. He said 'I cannot give you an approach to a closed runway.' then st louis approach control said he would give us radar vectors to ILS runway 14L. In a little while my student said he couldn't find the approach for ILS runway 14L. I took the book and I could find an ILS approach for every runway at midamerica except runway 14L. Neither the student nor I could find an ILS runway 14L approach chart.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: FLT INSTRUCTOR INBOUND TO BLV ARPT WITH PARALLEL RWYS AND REQUESTS AN ILS APCH ON A RWY THAT IS CLOSED. CTLR ADVISES HE CANNOT GIVE AN APCH TO A CLOSED RWY.

Narrative: ON MAY/XA/98 I WAS CONDUCTING AN INST TRAINING FLT WITH A STUDENT. I PLANNED TO FLY IFR TO THE 'NEW' MIDAMERICA ARPT. I SUSPECTED THIS ARPT WOULD HAVE SOME PROBS BECAUSE IT WAS ONLY RECENTLY OPENED AND IT IS CO-LOCATED WITH A MIL ARPT (SCOTT AFB). BECAUSE OF THIS, I WAS PARTICULARLY DILIGENT TO GET NOTAMS INCLUDING FDC NOTAMS FROM ST LOUIS FSS BEFORE DEPARTING. THE SPECIALIST GAVE ME 3 NOTAMS. 1) RWY 14R/32L WAS CLOSED. 2) THE BEACON WAS NONSTANDARD BECAUSE IT HAD NOT BEEN CONVERTED FROM THE MIL TYPE. 3) THE MDA'S FOR THE ILS RWY 14R APCH HAD BEEN INCREASED. THE SPECIALIST ALSO STARTED TO GIVE ME GPS NOTAMS, BUT I STOPPED HER AND TOLD HER WE WERE NOT GPS EQUIPPED. I THEN SPECIFICALLY ASKED IF THE ILS RWY 14R APCH WOULD BE AVAILABLE BECAUSE RWY 14R WAS CLOSED. SHE TOLD ME THE APCH WOULD BE AVAILABLE. WE DEPARTED AND CALLED ST LOUIS APCH IN THE AIR FOR OUR CLRNC. WE WERE CLRED TO MIDAMERICA ARPT VIA RADAR VECTORS. THE CTLR ASKED US WHAT APCH WE WANTED AT MIDAMERICA. WE TOLD HIM ILS RWY 14R. HE SAID RWY 14R WAS CLOSED. I TOLD HIM THAT WAS OK BECAUSE WE ONLY WANTED TO SHOOT THE APCH TO A MISSED. HE SAID 'I CANNOT GIVE YOU AN APCH TO A CLOSED RWY.' THEN ST LOUIS APCH CTL SAID HE WOULD GIVE US RADAR VECTORS TO ILS RWY 14L. IN A LITTLE WHILE MY STUDENT SAID HE COULDN'T FIND THE APCH FOR ILS RWY 14L. I TOOK THE BOOK AND I COULD FIND AN ILS APCH FOR EVERY RWY AT MIDAMERICA EXCEPT RWY 14L. NEITHER THE STUDENT NOR I COULD FIND AN ILS RWY 14L APCH CHART.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Flight instructor inbound to blv airport with parallel runways and requests an ILS approach on a runway that is closed. Controller advises he cannot give an approach to a closed runway.