37000 Feet | Browse and search NASA's Aviation Safety Reporting System |
|
Attributes | |
ACN | 402931 |
Time | |
Date | 199805 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lih |
State Reference | HI |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2500 msl bound upper : 2500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zhu |
Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
Make Model Name | BN-2A Islander/Defender |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
Make Model Name | BN-2A Islander/Defender |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air taxi |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time total : 5100 |
ASRS Report | 402931 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air taxi |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 200 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Both aircraft involved were flying a tour for the same operator which has a VFR only certificate. We were the 2ND (me) and 3RD aircraft of 3 flying the same tour route together. The day had rain showers, some low ceilings, but all WX was reported (and was) VFR. At the time of this event we were all descending toward lih for landing. The aircraft in front and behind me had been at 4500 ft and I had stayed at 3000 ft to help provide separation. We all constantly communicate on 122.75 to be advised of our relative position and other pertinent flight information. We were all receiving VFR advisories from center. The aircraft behind me began his descent without advising me and at a time when he did not have me in sight although he had previously told center that he had me in sight, and I thought he had me in sight. We were maneuvering around several layers of scattered to broken clouds. However, this was truly VFR with adequate cloud clearance. When I first saw the other aircraft (who I thought was a few mi behind me) he appeared just over and in front of me. The tail numbers (actually on the aft fuselage) were clearly readable, and he was descending through my altitude with a very slight speed overtake. I pulled back power dramatically, made a 90 degree turn, and descended for some immediate separation. I was able to keep him in sight until landing. After landing I asked if he had seen me and he indicated he had not and that he still thought I was in front of him (until radio communication made it clear this was not the case). Ours is a good VFR operation with pilots who are all professionals, most with significant heavy turbine experience. Yet here the need to maneuver around clouds, an aircraft with very limited side and no aft visibility, no TCASII, and failure of 1 pilot to follow ATC or company procedure and advise having lost sight of the aircraft he was following very nearly led to a midair. We discussed this incident with our chief pilot and believe that even better communication, and wider separation as we travel would have helped avoid this near miss. I believe that in addition VFR certificates should not be granted and that acrs should only be certificated when their operation permits pilots to file and fly IFR flight plans when WX is less than ideal. I believe that the traveling public doesn't understand the differences in certificates or in required equipment (TCASII) so they are not aware that certain types of operations are inherently more dangerous than others.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: NMAC BTWN 2 COMPANY BRITTEN-NORMAN ISLANDER BN2 DSNDING TO LAND AFTER A SIGHTSEEING FLT. ACFT #2 LOST SIGHT OF ACFT #1 WHICH RESULTED IN OVERTAKING ACFT #1 WHILE IN A DSCNT.
Narrative: BOTH ACFT INVOLVED WERE FLYING A TOUR FOR THE SAME OPERATOR WHICH HAS A VFR ONLY CERTIFICATE. WE WERE THE 2ND (ME) AND 3RD ACFT OF 3 FLYING THE SAME TOUR RTE TOGETHER. THE DAY HAD RAIN SHOWERS, SOME LOW CEILINGS, BUT ALL WX WAS RPTED (AND WAS) VFR. AT THE TIME OF THIS EVENT WE WERE ALL DSNDING TOWARD LIH FOR LNDG. THE ACFT IN FRONT AND BEHIND ME HAD BEEN AT 4500 FT AND I HAD STAYED AT 3000 FT TO HELP PROVIDE SEPARATION. WE ALL CONSTANTLY COMMUNICATE ON 122.75 TO BE ADVISED OF OUR RELATIVE POS AND OTHER PERTINENT FLT INFO. WE WERE ALL RECEIVING VFR ADVISORIES FROM CTR. THE ACFT BEHIND ME BEGAN HIS DSCNT WITHOUT ADVISING ME AND AT A TIME WHEN HE DID NOT HAVE ME IN SIGHT ALTHOUGH HE HAD PREVIOUSLY TOLD CTR THAT HE HAD ME IN SIGHT, AND I THOUGHT HE HAD ME IN SIGHT. WE WERE MANEUVERING AROUND SEVERAL LAYERS OF SCATTERED TO BROKEN CLOUDS. HOWEVER, THIS WAS TRULY VFR WITH ADEQUATE CLOUD CLRNC. WHEN I FIRST SAW THE OTHER ACFT (WHO I THOUGHT WAS A FEW MI BEHIND ME) HE APPEARED JUST OVER AND IN FRONT OF ME. THE TAIL NUMBERS (ACTUALLY ON THE AFT FUSELAGE) WERE CLRLY READABLE, AND HE WAS DSNDING THROUGH MY ALT WITH A VERY SLIGHT SPD OVERTAKE. I PULLED BACK PWR DRAMATICALLY, MADE A 90 DEG TURN, AND DSNDED FOR SOME IMMEDIATE SEPARATION. I WAS ABLE TO KEEP HIM IN SIGHT UNTIL LNDG. AFTER LNDG I ASKED IF HE HAD SEEN ME AND HE INDICATED HE HAD NOT AND THAT HE STILL THOUGHT I WAS IN FRONT OF HIM (UNTIL RADIO COM MADE IT CLR THIS WAS NOT THE CASE). OURS IS A GOOD VFR OP WITH PLTS WHO ARE ALL PROFESSIONALS, MOST WITH SIGNIFICANT HVY TURBINE EXPERIENCE. YET HERE THE NEED TO MANEUVER AROUND CLOUDS, AN ACFT WITH VERY LIMITED SIDE AND NO AFT VISIBILITY, NO TCASII, AND FAILURE OF 1 PLT TO FOLLOW ATC OR COMPANY PROC AND ADVISE HAVING LOST SIGHT OF THE ACFT HE WAS FOLLOWING VERY NEARLY LED TO A MIDAIR. WE DISCUSSED THIS INCIDENT WITH OUR CHIEF PLT AND BELIEVE THAT EVEN BETTER COM, AND WIDER SEPARATION AS WE TRAVEL WOULD HAVE HELPED AVOID THIS NEAR MISS. I BELIEVE THAT IN ADDITION VFR CERTIFICATES SHOULD NOT BE GRANTED AND THAT ACRS SHOULD ONLY BE CERTIFICATED WHEN THEIR OP PERMITS PLTS TO FILE AND FLY IFR FLT PLANS WHEN WX IS LESS THAN IDEAL. I BELIEVE THAT THE TRAVELING PUBLIC DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCES IN CERTIFICATES OR IN REQUIRED EQUIP (TCASII) SO THEY ARE NOT AWARE THAT CERTAIN TYPES OF OPS ARE INHERENTLY MORE DANGEROUS THAN OTHERS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.