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Attributes | |
ACN | 404064 |
Time | |
Date | 199806 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2400 msl bound upper : 2400 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure other departure sid : sid |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Skylane 182/RG Turbo Skylane/RG |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : private pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 9150 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 404064 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : private pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 11500 flight time type : 1300 |
ASRS Report | 403931 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : investigated Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 1500 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Departing lax runway 25R. At approximately 2000 ft MSL we received an RA for a target at 2-2:30 O'clock position and slightly above us. Reacting to the RA and looking to our right front quadrant we observed a single engine cessna heading straight for us and behind. Previously, passing 1300 ft MSL, socal had cleared us to climb to 15000 ft. After the conflict, we asked the controller if he was aware of the other aircraft. He responded in the affirmative and stated, 'I thought you would pass beneath him.' this was an unsafe situation and should be briefed to all socal controllers. Supplemental information from acn 403931: cleared for takeoff runway 25R to maintain 2000 ft and maintaining visual with departing saab ahead. Upon checking with socal, cleared to 15000 ft. Captain (PF) queried socal if he was working small aircraft, if he was authorized to be there, and if he was on radar. All affirmative. This was a particularly dangerous situation in that we were already distraction watching departing aircraft ahead. We were on a charted departure with a turn at smo 160 degree right. I believe the VFR corridor over shoreline places all in too much risk. Also would be great aid if future TCASII called out more specific traffic information, ie, traffic 2:00 O'clock position.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR B737 FLC HAD A CONFLICT WITH A C182 AS THEY WERE CLBING OUT AFTER TKOF. THE CTLR, APPARENTLY, ADMITTED FAULT.
Narrative: DEPARTING LAX RWY 25R. AT APPROX 2000 FT MSL WE RECEIVED AN RA FOR A TARGET AT 2-2:30 O'CLOCK POS AND SLIGHTLY ABOVE US. REACTING TO THE RA AND LOOKING TO OUR R FRONT QUADRANT WE OBSERVED A SINGLE ENG CESSNA HEADING STRAIGHT FOR US AND BEHIND. PREVIOUSLY, PASSING 1300 FT MSL, SOCAL HAD CLRED US TO CLB TO 15000 FT. AFTER THE CONFLICT, WE ASKED THE CTLR IF HE WAS AWARE OF THE OTHER ACFT. HE RESPONDED IN THE AFFIRMATIVE AND STATED, 'I THOUGHT YOU WOULD PASS BENEATH HIM.' THIS WAS AN UNSAFE SIT AND SHOULD BE BRIEFED TO ALL SOCAL CTLRS. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 403931: CLRED FOR TKOF RWY 25R TO MAINTAIN 2000 FT AND MAINTAINING VISUAL WITH DEPARTING SAAB AHEAD. UPON CHECKING WITH SOCAL, CLRED TO 15000 FT. CAPT (PF) QUERIED SOCAL IF HE WAS WORKING SMALL ACFT, IF HE WAS AUTHORIZED TO BE THERE, AND IF HE WAS ON RADAR. ALL AFFIRMATIVE. THIS WAS A PARTICULARLY DANGEROUS SIT IN THAT WE WERE ALREADY DISTR WATCHING DEPARTING ACFT AHEAD. WE WERE ON A CHARTED DEP WITH A TURN AT SMO 160 DEG R. I BELIEVE THE VFR CORRIDOR OVER SHORELINE PLACES ALL IN TOO MUCH RISK. ALSO WOULD BE GREAT AID IF FUTURE TCASII CALLED OUT MORE SPECIFIC TFC INFO, IE, TFC 2:00 O'CLOCK POS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.