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Reporter claims lax approach allows jump aircraft to climb to 14000 ft where there are IFR operations and permits them to make parachute jumps into control airspace.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 404211 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199805 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : hdf |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla tracon : lax |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | departure other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | general aviation : instructional |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other |
| Flight Plan | VFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : radar |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Experience | controller radar : 29 |
| ASRS Report | 404211 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : approach |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : unspecified other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Inter Facility Coordination Failure other |
Narrative:
Jump aircraft are allowed to climb to 14000 ft by socal (ont area). The FAA has waived these aircraft. The aircraft conflict with IFR civil jets and others climbing off ont to 14000 ft, sna 13000 ft, nzj 13000 ft, riv 12000 ft. Because socal allows these VFR aircraft to climb to 14000 ft an IFR altitude and top of their airspace over V64. Air carrier X was an ont departure climbing 14000 ft (leveling at 14000 ft) I was busy 'one holeing' riz and the pilot couldn't get in on the frequency due to congestion. A jump aircraft at 14000 ft with an intermittent transponder was at 14000 ft. Air carrier X leveled at 14000 ft -- TCASII didn't go off evidently. I do not remember conflict alert because it was a busy time on the sector. Ont hemet sector did not issue traffic in their airspace. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter claims lax approach is assigning IFR altitudes to VFR jump aircraft. Also claims very little coordination takes place between the center and approach control on parachute activity. Says there are close calls frequently between jump aircraft, jumpers, and IFR aircraft operating in and out of the ont area.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RPTR CLAIMS LAX APCH ALLOWS JUMP ACFT TO CLB TO 14000 FT WHERE THERE ARE IFR OPS AND PERMITS THEM TO MAKE PARACHUTE JUMPS INTO CTL AIRSPACE.
Narrative: JUMP ACFT ARE ALLOWED TO CLB TO 14000 FT BY SOCAL (ONT AREA). THE FAA HAS WAIVED THESE ACFT. THE ACFT CONFLICT WITH IFR CIVIL JETS AND OTHERS CLBING OFF ONT TO 14000 FT, SNA 13000 FT, NZJ 13000 FT, RIV 12000 FT. BECAUSE SOCAL ALLOWS THESE VFR ACFT TO CLB TO 14000 FT AN IFR ALT AND TOP OF THEIR AIRSPACE OVER V64. ACR X WAS AN ONT DEP CLBING 14000 FT (LEVELING AT 14000 FT) I WAS BUSY 'ONE HOLEING' RIZ AND THE PLT COULDN'T GET IN ON THE FREQ DUE TO CONGESTION. A JUMP ACFT AT 14000 FT WITH AN INTERMITTENT XPONDER WAS AT 14000 FT. ACR X LEVELED AT 14000 FT -- TCASII DIDN'T GO OFF EVIDENTLY. I DO NOT REMEMBER CONFLICT ALERT BECAUSE IT WAS A BUSY TIME ON THE SECTOR. ONT HEMET SECTOR DID NOT ISSUE TFC IN THEIR AIRSPACE. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR CLAIMS LAX APCH IS ASSIGNING IFR ALTS TO VFR JUMP ACFT. ALSO CLAIMS VERY LITTLE COORD TAKES PLACE BTWN THE CTR AND APCH CTL ON PARACHUTE ACTIVITY. SAYS THERE ARE CLOSE CALLS FREQUENTLY BTWN JUMP ACFT, JUMPERS, AND IFR ACFT OPERATING IN AND OUT OF THE ONT AREA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.