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Attributes | |
ACN | 404323 |
Time | |
Date | 199806 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : fwa |
State Reference | IN |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 24000 msl bound upper : 29000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zau |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-9 30 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B747 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 2800 |
ASRS Report | 404323 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 21000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
I had been receiving step dscnts on the mizar 3 arrival en route to dtw. At approximately 31 mi from ft wayne, descending through FL290 to FL240 ATC asked if we could do our best to cross 20 mi from fwa at FL240. We agreed to do our best but indicated to ATC the restr was going to be tight. We increased our descent rate to 3600 FPM. Descending through FL258 ATC asked us to hurry through FL250. At the same time ATC made this request we got a TCASII TA, followed shortly by a TCASII RA to increase descent. We complied with the TCASII RA and also established visual contact with the aircraft. ATC asked if we were out of FL250 and we replied affirmative and we also indicated we had visual contact. ATC sounded a bit shaken. I'm not sure where ATC lost separation but we were in full compliance with ATC instructions. The TCASII worked great and proved to be a valuable instrument.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DC9 CREW RECEIVED A TCASII TA AND THEN AN RA. CTLR HAD GIVEN DSCNT CLRNC THAT CROSSED ANOTHER ACFT'S ALT.
Narrative: I HAD BEEN RECEIVING STEP DSCNTS ON THE MIZAR 3 ARR ENRTE TO DTW. AT APPROX 31 MI FROM FT WAYNE, DSNDING THROUGH FL290 TO FL240 ATC ASKED IF WE COULD DO OUR BEST TO CROSS 20 MI FROM FWA AT FL240. WE AGREED TO DO OUR BEST BUT INDICATED TO ATC THE RESTR WAS GOING TO BE TIGHT. WE INCREASED OUR DSCNT RATE TO 3600 FPM. DSNDING THROUGH FL258 ATC ASKED US TO HURRY THROUGH FL250. AT THE SAME TIME ATC MADE THIS REQUEST WE GOT A TCASII TA, FOLLOWED SHORTLY BY A TCASII RA TO INCREASE DSCNT. WE COMPLIED WITH THE TCASII RA AND ALSO ESTABLISHED VISUAL CONTACT WITH THE ACFT. ATC ASKED IF WE WERE OUT OF FL250 AND WE REPLIED AFFIRMATIVE AND WE ALSO INDICATED WE HAD VISUAL CONTACT. ATC SOUNDED A BIT SHAKEN. I'M NOT SURE WHERE ATC LOST SEPARATION BUT WE WERE IN FULL COMPLIANCE WITH ATC INSTRUCTIONS. THE TCASII WORKED GREAT AND PROVED TO BE A VALUABLE INST.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.