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Attributes | |
ACN | 404660 |
Time | |
Date | 199806 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : hnk |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 15000 msl bound upper : 17000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zbw |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | ATR 42 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute airway : zbw |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 280 flight time total : 5500 flight time type : 3500 |
ASRS Report | 404660 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 1500 flight time type : 350 |
ASRS Report | 405078 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : undershoot altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were about 40 NM northwest of hnk VOR and given a clearance to cross hnk at and maintain 15000 ft. The first officer was flying and decided to stay at 17000 ft until 10 NM northwest of hnk and then start a descent. He later asked me a question and we started talking about past flying experiences and got distraction from our 10 NM descent point and ended up crossing the hnk VOR at 17000 ft. The controller must have been watching us on radar because right at hnk he requested our altitude. No traffic was in the area so he asked us to start our descent to 15000 ft and gave us a frequency change. The problem of course was due to the first officer's decision to delay the descent followed by our inattn to the descent point by getting distraction by conversation. Such deviations can be reduced by starting at least a slow initial descent when given such an en route crossing restr or by simply avoiding distrs when holding off on making such dscnts. Supplemental information from acn 405078: from now on when issued a descent I will start a slow descent to the altitude so that there will be more visual cues to keep me aware of our position. Also getting involved in a conversation after receiving such a clearance probably contributed to deviation.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ATR42 FLC FAILS TO START THEIR DSCNT IN ACCORDANCE WITH ATC CLRNC WHEN THEY ARE DISTR BY A CONVERSATION ABOUT FLYING.
Narrative: WE WERE ABOUT 40 NM NW OF HNK VOR AND GIVEN A CLRNC TO CROSS HNK AT AND MAINTAIN 15000 FT. THE FO WAS FLYING AND DECIDED TO STAY AT 17000 FT UNTIL 10 NM NW OF HNK AND THEN START A DSCNT. HE LATER ASKED ME A QUESTION AND WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT PAST FLYING EXPERIENCES AND GOT DISTR FROM OUR 10 NM DSCNT POINT AND ENDED UP XING THE HNK VOR AT 17000 FT. THE CTLR MUST HAVE BEEN WATCHING US ON RADAR BECAUSE RIGHT AT HNK HE REQUESTED OUR ALT. NO TFC WAS IN THE AREA SO HE ASKED US TO START OUR DSCNT TO 15000 FT AND GAVE US A FREQ CHANGE. THE PROB OF COURSE WAS DUE TO THE FO'S DECISION TO DELAY THE DSCNT FOLLOWED BY OUR INATTN TO THE DSCNT POINT BY GETTING DISTR BY CONVERSATION. SUCH DEVS CAN BE REDUCED BY STARTING AT LEAST A SLOW INITIAL DSCNT WHEN GIVEN SUCH AN ENRTE XING RESTR OR BY SIMPLY AVOIDING DISTRS WHEN HOLDING OFF ON MAKING SUCH DSCNTS. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 405078: FROM NOW ON WHEN ISSUED A DSCNT I WILL START A SLOW DSCNT TO THE ALT SO THAT THERE WILL BE MORE VISUAL CUES TO KEEP ME AWARE OF OUR POS. ALSO GETTING INVOLVED IN A CONVERSATION AFTER RECEIVING SUCH A CLRNC PROBABLY CONTRIBUTED TO DEV.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.