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Attributes | |
ACN | 405520 |
Time | |
Date | 199806 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sna |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 6000 msl bound upper : 8000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other |
Route In Use | departure other enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : private pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 35 flight time total : 2100 flight time type : 420 |
ASRS Report | 405520 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : departure |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : clearance other anomaly other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Rarely do I fly VFR. When I do, even with IFR to VFR on top, I am able to initiate a normal turn for a downwind departure/climb out to the northeast of sna. On this day I was vectored maybe 15 NM to southwest for climb (IFR to VFR) before getting clearance to turn nebound to leave los angeles basin. I was using an angus to identify the corner of the outer radial of the class B airspace outside which I could proceed with my VFR climb. On this day, flight following was terminated by coast approach (unusual for this to be declined). I was much higher than normal due to my swbound climb vector. I was using my current lax sectional, my lax terminal chart was out of reach. I failed to remember or see on the sectional or angus that the lax class B airspace now projects over my flight path at 10000 ft/7000 ft. I was focused on missing the 10000 ft/6000 ft corner by flying to the east. Before canceling flight following the controller told me to stay outside class B airspace. I said I would stay just to the east of the boundary. In fact, I might have climbed up through the 7000 ft floor of the redesigned airspace, the relevant segment of which I forgot, and did not see was there.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A PVT PLT CLBS UP THROUGH THE BASE OF THE LAX TCA CLASS B ON AN IFR CLB TO VFR ON TOP DEP FROM SNA.
Narrative: RARELY DO I FLY VFR. WHEN I DO, EVEN WITH IFR TO VFR ON TOP, I AM ABLE TO INITIATE A NORMAL TURN FOR A DOWNWIND DEP/CLBOUT TO THE NE OF SNA. ON THIS DAY I WAS VECTORED MAYBE 15 NM TO SW FOR CLB (IFR TO VFR) BEFORE GETTING CLRNC TO TURN NEBOUND TO LEAVE LOS ANGELES BASIN. I WAS USING AN ANGUS TO IDENT THE CORNER OF THE OUTER RADIAL OF THE CLASS B AIRSPACE OUTSIDE WHICH I COULD PROCEED WITH MY VFR CLB. ON THIS DAY, FLT FOLLOWING WAS TERMINATED BY COAST APCH (UNUSUAL FOR THIS TO BE DECLINED). I WAS MUCH HIGHER THAN NORMAL DUE TO MY SWBOUND CLB VECTOR. I WAS USING MY CURRENT LAX SECTIONAL, MY LAX TERMINAL CHART WAS OUT OF REACH. I FAILED TO REMEMBER OR SEE ON THE SECTIONAL OR ANGUS THAT THE LAX CLASS B AIRSPACE NOW PROJECTS OVER MY FLT PATH AT 10000 FT/7000 FT. I WAS FOCUSED ON MISSING THE 10000 FT/6000 FT CORNER BY FLYING TO THE E. BEFORE CANCELING FLT FOLLOWING THE CTLR TOLD ME TO STAY OUTSIDE CLASS B AIRSPACE. I SAID I WOULD STAY JUST TO THE E OF THE BOUNDARY. IN FACT, I MIGHT HAVE CLBED UP THROUGH THE 7000 FT FLOOR OF THE REDESIGNED AIRSPACE, THE RELEVANT SEGMENT OF WHICH I FORGOT, AND DID NOT SEE WAS THERE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.