Instructor pilot, with new student pilot, of a piper PA28-140 ran off the end of the runway during l...

Attributes
ACN	407328
Time
Date	199807
Day	Thu
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : 1n73
State Reference	IN
Altitude	msl bound lower : 0 msl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	general aviation : instructional
Make Model Name	PA-28 Cherokee/Archer II/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	landing other
Flight Plan	None
Person 1
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : single pilot instruction : instructor
Qualification	other other : other pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 25 flight time total : 300 flight time type : 200
ASRS Report	407328
Person 2
Affiliation	Other
Qualification	pilot : student
Events
Anomaly	other anomaly other anomaly other other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : unable other
Consequence	other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

I was the PIC of an airplane which ran off the end of runway 16 on landing. And while I have over 200 hours in PA28 type airplanes, I have under 10 hours in PA28-140's. My inexperience with the hand brake as opposed to the toe pedals I am used to, may have been a contributing factor in the incident. Also, it was at the end of a long day of flying with 5 different students over 7 hours that morning. A little bit of get-there-itis may have also come into play since this was to be my last flight of the day. The major contributing factor, however, had to be my high airspeed on final and over the threshold. I was about 10 KIAS faster than normal, and also a bit high when I turned final. I used a slip to descend and got down to a decent altitude over the threshold, however, I was too fast and should have gone around to try again. I didn't and floated half-way down the runway. This led to my running off the end of the runway and coming to a stop approximately 250 ft beyond the end of the runway. Neither my student, nor I, were injured in any way. I was performing the landing since it was only my student's second flight with me. The wings were the only portion of the aircraft that were damaged in any way. There are some significant dents on each leading edge. If I would have gone around, even as late as halfway down the runway right before touchdown, any and all incident(south) could have been avoided. This is definitely the greatest learning experience of my career and will hopefully not keep me from moving onwards and upwards in aviation.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: INSTRUCTOR PLT, WITH NEW STUDENT PLT, OF A PIPER PA28-140 RAN OFF THE END OF THE RWY DURING LNDG DUE TO A HIGHER AND FASTER APCH THAN NORMAL. THE ACFT RECEIVED MINOR DAMAGE TO THE WING LEADING EDGES.

Narrative: I WAS THE PIC OF AN AIRPLANE WHICH RAN OFF THE END OF RWY 16 ON LNDG. AND WHILE I HAVE OVER 200 HRS IN PA28 TYPE AIRPLANES, I HAVE UNDER 10 HRS IN PA28-140'S. MY INEXPERIENCE WITH THE HAND BRAKE AS OPPOSED TO THE TOE PEDALS I AM USED TO, MAY HAVE BEEN A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR IN THE INCIDENT. ALSO, IT WAS AT THE END OF A LONG DAY OF FLYING WITH 5 DIFFERENT STUDENTS OVER 7 HRS THAT MORNING. A LITTLE BIT OF GET-THERE-ITIS MAY HAVE ALSO COME INTO PLAY SINCE THIS WAS TO BE MY LAST FLT OF THE DAY. THE MAJOR CONTRIBUTING FACTOR, HOWEVER, HAD TO BE MY HIGH AIRSPD ON FINAL AND OVER THE THRESHOLD. I WAS ABOUT 10 KIAS FASTER THAN NORMAL, AND ALSO A BIT HIGH WHEN I TURNED FINAL. I USED A SLIP TO DSND AND GOT DOWN TO A DECENT ALT OVER THE THRESHOLD, HOWEVER, I WAS TOO FAST AND SHOULD HAVE GONE AROUND TO TRY AGAIN. I DIDN'T AND FLOATED HALF-WAY DOWN THE RWY. THIS LED TO MY RUNNING OFF THE END OF THE RWY AND COMING TO A STOP APPROX 250 FT BEYOND THE END OF THE RWY. NEITHER MY STUDENT, NOR I, WERE INJURED IN ANY WAY. I WAS PERFORMING THE LNDG SINCE IT WAS ONLY MY STUDENT'S SECOND FLT WITH ME. THE WINGS WERE THE ONLY PORTION OF THE ACFT THAT WERE DAMAGED IN ANY WAY. THERE ARE SOME SIGNIFICANT DENTS ON EACH LEADING EDGE. IF I WOULD HAVE GONE AROUND, EVEN AS LATE AS HALFWAY DOWN THE RWY RIGHT BEFORE TOUCHDOWN, ANY AND ALL INCIDENT(S) COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED. THIS IS DEFINITELY THE GREATEST LEARNING EXPERIENCE OF MY CAREER AND WILL HOPEFULLY NOT KEEP ME FROM MOVING ONWARDS AND UPWARDS IN AVIATION.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Instructor pilot, with new student pilot, of a piper PA28-140 ran off the end of the runway during landing due to a higher and faster approach than normal. The aircraft received minor damage to the wing leading edges.