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Attributes | |
ACN | 408870 |
Time | |
Date | 199807 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dal |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : dfw |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent : approach descent other |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 270 flight time total : 4300 flight time type : 2700 |
ASRS Report | 408870 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Coming into love field, we (X) were cleared for the visual approach to runway 13R, following company traffic (Y) who was turning a right base in front of us. The call from the controller was (and I paraphrase) '(X) call sign, cleared the visual behind company (Y), maintain 3000 ft until (blank).' we were not totally sure where we were supposed to maintain 3000 ft. It sounded like the controller said 'maintain 3000 ft until addison,' but that did not make a whole lot of sense based on our location. As we were discussing this, and keeping an eye out for the traffic in front of us, we were told to contact tower. We went over to tower, held 3000 ft until needed for safe approach, and landed uneventfully. A couple of lessons learned: anytime a clearance is not fully understood by both crew members, query the controller. (Approach was rather busy at the time -- we should not have gone to tower until we were sure what the controller wanted.) also, we did not read back the clearance. I always try to read back all clrncs. My captain was working the radio and did not read back the clearance, probably since it was not understood. Finally, no matter how busy a controller is, a request to repeat the instructions should always be made.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR B737 FLC ACCEPT APCH CLRNC, NOT UNDERSTANDING ISSUED RESTR AND CONDUCT APCH AS THEY INTERP THE CLRNC. FLT LANDS WITHOUT INCIDENT.
Narrative: COMING INTO LOVE FIELD, WE (X) WERE CLRED FOR THE VISUAL APCH TO RWY 13R, FOLLOWING COMPANY TFC (Y) WHO WAS TURNING A R BASE IN FRONT OF US. THE CALL FROM THE CTLR WAS (AND I PARAPHRASE) '(X) CALL SIGN, CLRED THE VISUAL BEHIND COMPANY (Y), MAINTAIN 3000 FT UNTIL (BLANK).' WE WERE NOT TOTALLY SURE WHERE WE WERE SUPPOSED TO MAINTAIN 3000 FT. IT SOUNDED LIKE THE CTLR SAID 'MAINTAIN 3000 FT UNTIL ADDISON,' BUT THAT DID NOT MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE BASED ON OUR LOCATION. AS WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS, AND KEEPING AN EYE OUT FOR THE TFC IN FRONT OF US, WE WERE TOLD TO CONTACT TWR. WE WENT OVER TO TWR, HELD 3000 FT UNTIL NEEDED FOR SAFE APCH, AND LANDED UNEVENTFULLY. A COUPLE OF LESSONS LEARNED: ANYTIME A CLRNC IS NOT FULLY UNDERSTOOD BY BOTH CREW MEMBERS, QUERY THE CTLR. (APCH WAS RATHER BUSY AT THE TIME -- WE SHOULD NOT HAVE GONE TO TWR UNTIL WE WERE SURE WHAT THE CTLR WANTED.) ALSO, WE DID NOT READ BACK THE CLRNC. I ALWAYS TRY TO READ BACK ALL CLRNCS. MY CAPT WAS WORKING THE RADIO AND DID NOT READ BACK THE CLRNC, PROBABLY SINCE IT WAS NOT UNDERSTOOD. FINALLY, NO MATTER HOW BUSY A CTLR IS, A REQUEST TO REPEAT THE INSTRUCTIONS SHOULD ALWAYS BE MADE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.