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Attributes | |
ACN | 409962 |
Time | |
Date | 199807 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : las |
State Reference | NV |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 7600 msl bound upper : 8000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : las |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent : approach descent other |
Route In Use | approach : visual arrival other enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent : approach descent other |
Route In Use | approach : visual arrival other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 160 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 409962 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Aircraft #1 was en route from slc-las. At 28 DME east of las, we were instructed by las approach to keep aircraft #2, an MD80, ahead in sight and maintain visual separation, turn to 270 degrees and intercept the runway 25L localizer at las. We were told to turn left to 190 degree heading at 6 DME from las VOR for a downwind visual to runway 1R. It was very hard to keep the MD80 in sight, 2000 ft below, against desert background. At 15 DME las approach issued a descent to 8000 ft. Passing 9000 ft, ATC issued a traffic warning for departing traffic and told us to slow to 210 KTS. The captain informed the first officer we were 1/2 mi from the turn point and continued to search for the MD80. The first officer pulled power to slow down and started a left turn to 190 degrees. ATC then advised our assigned altitude was 8000 ft. The first officer pulled up and both of us noted 7650 ft on our altimeters. We returned to 8000 ft within 10 seconds and were at least 2000 ft above our traffic. Opinion: ATC issued instructions to keep visual spacing on the aircraft ahead, intercept a localizer course on one NAVAID, make a turn off a DME from another NAVAID, descend into climbing traffic on departure and slow for spacing while leveling in a turn. The crew was unnecessarily overtasked flying complicated instrument procedures while asked to maintain visual separation from aircraft ahead on approach and departures. ATC should either issue a visual approach clearance and let us maintain our own separation or give us an instrument approach if traffic warrants.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR B727 FLC DSNDS FROM ASSIGNED ALT WHILE MANEUVERING FOR VISUAL APCH. PIC CONCERNED WITH COCKPIT WORKLOAD WHILE COMPLYING WITH ATC INSTRUCTION.
Narrative: ACFT #1 WAS ENRTE FROM SLC-LAS. AT 28 DME E OF LAS, WE WERE INSTRUCTED BY LAS APCH TO KEEP ACFT #2, AN MD80, AHEAD IN SIGHT AND MAINTAIN VISUAL SEPARATION, TURN TO 270 DEGS AND INTERCEPT THE RWY 25L LOC AT LAS. WE WERE TOLD TO TURN L TO 190 DEG HDG AT 6 DME FROM LAS VOR FOR A DOWNWIND VISUAL TO RWY 1R. IT WAS VERY HARD TO KEEP THE MD80 IN SIGHT, 2000 FT BELOW, AGAINST DESERT BACKGROUND. AT 15 DME LAS APCH ISSUED A DSCNT TO 8000 FT. PASSING 9000 FT, ATC ISSUED A TFC WARNING FOR DEPARTING TFC AND TOLD US TO SLOW TO 210 KTS. THE CAPT INFORMED THE FO WE WERE 1/2 MI FROM THE TURN POINT AND CONTINUED TO SEARCH FOR THE MD80. THE FO PULLED PWR TO SLOW DOWN AND STARTED A L TURN TO 190 DEGS. ATC THEN ADVISED OUR ASSIGNED ALT WAS 8000 FT. THE FO PULLED UP AND BOTH OF US NOTED 7650 FT ON OUR ALTIMETERS. WE RETURNED TO 8000 FT WITHIN 10 SECONDS AND WERE AT LEAST 2000 FT ABOVE OUR TFC. OPINION: ATC ISSUED INSTRUCTIONS TO KEEP VISUAL SPACING ON THE ACFT AHEAD, INTERCEPT A LOC COURSE ON ONE NAVAID, MAKE A TURN OFF A DME FROM ANOTHER NAVAID, DSND INTO CLBING TFC ON DEP AND SLOW FOR SPACING WHILE LEVELING IN A TURN. THE CREW WAS UNNECESSARILY OVERTASKED FLYING COMPLICATED INST PROCS WHILE ASKED TO MAINTAIN VISUAL SEPARATION FROM ACFT AHEAD ON APCH AND DEPS. ATC SHOULD EITHER ISSUE A VISUAL APCH CLRNC AND LET US MAINTAIN OUR OWN SEPARATION OR GIVE US AN INST APCH IF TFC WARRANTS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.