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Attributes | |
ACN | 412172 |
Time | |
Date | 199808 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sps |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2300 msl bound upper : 2300 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sps tower : sps |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | Talon |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | controller : non radar pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | controller military : 9 controller supervisory : 9 flight time last 90 days : 270 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 540 |
ASRS Report | 412172 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 6000 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Airport |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
Airport | other physical facility procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
During arrival to runway 17 at sps, we heard approach control working a T38 inbound to a VFR downwind entry point near our entry point (sps VORTAC). Approach control sequenced the T38 behind us and sent us to tower. Shortly after that, TCASII issued a crossing climb RA. As the captain (PF) responded to the RA, I started to advise tower and simultaneously acquired the T38 at 4-5 O'clock and slightly high, turning north behind us. The rest of approach and landing were uneventful. What bothers me most about this situation is that, in responding to the RA, we could have climbed into other T38's in the closed or 'inside downwind.' these aircraft established in the VFR pattern squawk standby to preclude radar clutter, and are not in radio contact with tower or any other ATC agency. The commercial chart pages on the arrival procedure are only the tip of the iceberg. There is lots of potential for disaster for anyone operating at sps without detailed awareness of how the local traffic operates. Flight crew submitted a company debrief with a recommendation to publicize this incident to all pilot group pilots.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SPS IS A DUAL USE (CIVILIAN-MIL) ARPT. RPTR STATES WHILE MAKING AN APCH TO RWY 17 IN AN ACR, THE CREW RECEIVED A TCASII RA INDICATING CLB. WHILE THE CAPT IS RESPONDING TO THE RA, THE FO SPOTS A T38 ABOVE IN A TURN AND CLAIMS THAT ACFT AND OTHER T38'S ARE IN A CLOSED PATTERN (POSSIBLY TO ANOTHER RWY) WITH THEIR XPONDERS ON STANDBY. HE BELIEVES THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT IN RESPONDING TO A TCASII ALERT, A FLT COULD CONFLICT WITH AN ACFT OPERATING A XPONDER ON STANDBY.
Narrative: DURING ARR TO RWY 17 AT SPS, WE HEARD APCH CTL WORKING A T38 INBOUND TO A VFR DOWNWIND ENTRY POINT NEAR OUR ENTRY POINT (SPS VORTAC). APCH CTL SEQUENCED THE T38 BEHIND US AND SENT US TO TWR. SHORTLY AFTER THAT, TCASII ISSUED A XING CLB RA. AS THE CAPT (PF) RESPONDED TO THE RA, I STARTED TO ADVISE TWR AND SIMULTANEOUSLY ACQUIRED THE T38 AT 4-5 O'CLOCK AND SLIGHTLY HIGH, TURNING N BEHIND US. THE REST OF APCH AND LNDG WERE UNEVENTFUL. WHAT BOTHERS ME MOST ABOUT THIS SIT IS THAT, IN RESPONDING TO THE RA, WE COULD HAVE CLBED INTO OTHER T38'S IN THE CLOSED OR 'INSIDE DOWNWIND.' THESE ACFT ESTABLISHED IN THE VFR PATTERN SQUAWK STANDBY TO PRECLUDE RADAR CLUTTER, AND ARE NOT IN RADIO CONTACT WITH TWR OR ANY OTHER ATC AGENCY. THE COMMERCIAL CHART PAGES ON THE ARR PROC ARE ONLY THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG. THERE IS LOTS OF POTENTIAL FOR DISASTER FOR ANYONE OPERATING AT SPS WITHOUT DETAILED AWARENESS OF HOW THE LCL TFC OPERATES. FLC SUBMITTED A COMPANY DEBRIEF WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO PUBLICIZE THIS INCIDENT TO ALL PLT GROUP PLTS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.