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During a runway confign change, an air carrier CL65 flight crew reacts to 2 TCASII alerts. One for traffic observed climbing from beneath in the traffic pattern and another for an aircraft crossing from above and on his right. TA was exchanged with aircraft climbing from beneath, but not for the aircraft descending on his right. Reporter states that traffic descending on his right was being worked by another approach controller.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 412174 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199808 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : mco |
| State Reference | FL |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 11000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : mco |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Challenger CL604 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | cruise other other |
| Route In Use | arrival other enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Operating Under FAR Part | other : unknown |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach other |
| Route In Use | arrival other |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 16100 flight time type : 2500 |
| ASRS Report | 412174 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 2200 flight time type : 150 |
| ASRS Report | 414036 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 500 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error Inter Facility Coordination Failure |
Narrative:
We (aircraft X) arrived in mco on the minee 3 arrival at 10000 ft, 250 KTS, heading 060 degrees. We were then instructed to turn right, heading 90 degree vector to final. Then due to airport turnaround (change from south to north) we were instructed to turn left heading 360 degrees for a re-entry to downwind. About 1 min later we received a TA. TCASII was brought up indicating traffic (aircraft Y) at 11:30 to 12 O'clock position at about 3 mi at 10000 ft. Visual contact was made and climb was immediately initiated, and about the same time we received an RA to climb with traffic (aircraft Z) passing below us at 300-400 ft in a sharp left turn. Approach control finally alerted us of the traffic (with no urgency) after we were about 500- 700 ft above it and coming up on 11000 ft. We advised them of our deviation and all they said was thanks. The other aircraft was talking to a different approach control sector.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DURING A RWY CONFIGN CHANGE, AN ACR CL65 FLC REACTS TO 2 TCASII ALERTS. ONE FOR TFC OBSERVED CLBING FROM BENEATH IN THE TFC PATTERN AND ANOTHER FOR AN ACFT XING FROM ABOVE AND ON HIS R. TA WAS EXCHANGED WITH ACFT CLBING FROM BENEATH, BUT NOT FOR THE ACFT DSNDING ON HIS R. RPTR STATES THAT TFC DSNDING ON HIS R WAS BEING WORKED BY ANOTHER APCH CTLR.
Narrative: WE (ACFT X) ARRIVED IN MCO ON THE MINEE 3 ARR AT 10000 FT, 250 KTS, HDG 060 DEGS. WE WERE THEN INSTRUCTED TO TURN R, HDG 90 DEG VECTOR TO FINAL. THEN DUE TO ARPT TURNAROUND (CHANGE FROM S TO N) WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO TURN L HDG 360 DEGS FOR A RE-ENTRY TO DOWNWIND. ABOUT 1 MIN LATER WE RECEIVED A TA. TCASII WAS BROUGHT UP INDICATING TFC (ACFT Y) AT 11:30 TO 12 O'CLOCK POS AT ABOUT 3 MI AT 10000 FT. VISUAL CONTACT WAS MADE AND CLB WAS IMMEDIATELY INITIATED, AND ABOUT THE SAME TIME WE RECEIVED AN RA TO CLB WITH TFC (ACFT Z) PASSING BELOW US AT 300-400 FT IN A SHARP L TURN. APCH CTL FINALLY ALERTED US OF THE TFC (WITH NO URGENCY) AFTER WE WERE ABOUT 500- 700 FT ABOVE IT AND COMING UP ON 11000 FT. WE ADVISED THEM OF OUR DEV AND ALL THEY SAID WAS THANKS. THE OTHER ACFT WAS TALKING TO A DIFFERENT APCH CTL SECTOR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.