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Attributes | |
ACN | 412680 |
Time | |
Date | 199808 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dfw |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : dfw tower : dfw |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | landing other |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 130 flight time total : 7500 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 412680 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 1000 vertical : 4500 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
On right downwind, approach pointed out traffic at our 2 O'clock to follow. We saw traffic at 2 O'clock below us that we reported and were told to follow. On right base we contacted the tower. We were told by tower we were following wrong traffic. Tower pointed out a B757 at 11 O'clock 3/4 of a mi and below that we were to follow. Tower then assigned the B757 to land runway 18L and we landed runway 18R. I normally don't accept responsibility for visual separation in congested terminal areas. In my experience I've found that what a radar controller says is 2 O'clock and what I see are sometimes very different (due possibly to effects of wind or a turn before or after the controller reports traffic). In this case, there weren't many other aircraft in the area and I accepted the clearance to follow. I believe too much guess-work is involved in reporting traffic in sight to follow for a visual clearance. In the future, I will be hesitant to accept responsibility for visual separation in congested terminal airspace.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACFT MISIDENTS TFC ON VISUAL APCH IN DFW AIRSPACE.
Narrative: ON R DOWNWIND, APCH POINTED OUT TFC AT OUR 2 O'CLOCK TO FOLLOW. WE SAW TFC AT 2 O'CLOCK BELOW US THAT WE RPTED AND WERE TOLD TO FOLLOW. ON R BASE WE CONTACTED THE TWR. WE WERE TOLD BY TWR WE WERE FOLLOWING WRONG TFC. TWR POINTED OUT A B757 AT 11 O'CLOCK 3/4 OF A MI AND BELOW THAT WE WERE TO FOLLOW. TWR THEN ASSIGNED THE B757 TO LAND RWY 18L AND WE LANDED RWY 18R. I NORMALLY DON'T ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR VISUAL SEPARATION IN CONGESTED TERMINAL AREAS. IN MY EXPERIENCE I'VE FOUND THAT WHAT A RADAR CTLR SAYS IS 2 O'CLOCK AND WHAT I SEE ARE SOMETIMES VERY DIFFERENT (DUE POSSIBLY TO EFFECTS OF WIND OR A TURN BEFORE OR AFTER THE CTLR RPTS TFC). IN THIS CASE, THERE WEREN'T MANY OTHER ACFT IN THE AREA AND I ACCEPTED THE CLRNC TO FOLLOW. I BELIEVE TOO MUCH GUESS-WORK IS INVOLVED IN RPTING TFC IN SIGHT TO FOLLOW FOR A VISUAL CLRNC. IN THE FUTURE, I WILL BE HESITANT TO ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR VISUAL SEPARATION IN CONGESTED TERMINAL AIRSPACE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.