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Attributes | |
ACN | 412690 |
Time | |
Date | 199808 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : phx airport : gyr |
State Reference | AZ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 4500 |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | military facility : luf tracon : phx tower : gyr |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | PA-30 Twin Comanche |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : private |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 125 flight time total : 580 |
ASRS Report | 412690 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : local |
Qualification | controller : non radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : became reoriented flight crew : exited penetrated airspace |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 12000 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Contacted gyr tower and reported a VFR departure, heading 063 degrees. Tower stated 'on course takeoff approved.' we departed VFR on runway 21, and began a left turn at 500 ft AGL to on-course heading of 063 degrees. Tower reported to us 'frequency change approved.' we immediately contacted luke approach on 120.5. They assigned us a squawk code of XXXX and asked our position. We reported climbing through 3000 ft for 9500 ft, on-course of 063 degrees, approximately 5 mi east of gyr. The luke controller stated radar contact, then immediately said, 'radar service terminated, squawk 1200, maintain below 5000 ft to remain clear of class B, and suggest phx approach.' we immediately contacted phx approach and were told to stand by. We heard the controller talking about an aircraft at 4400 ft, which we believed was our aircraft. Directly in front of us was a B737 at approximately 2 mi, headed northeast. An unknown aircraft reported seeing us to approach. We thought that maybe we had accidentally gotten into an approach corridor, and turned 180 degrees to the right, and returned to the eastern side of gyr, reinitiated contact with luke approach, and requested vectors north and east, around the class B. I believe that the problem began with our unfamiliarity with the phx class B. We had a current sectional chart, but the jagged floor of the class B (blue line) on the western part of the airspace over gyr was not noticed until after we reviewed the chart. Tower approving us 'on- course departure' led us to believe that we were cleared to head through the airspace. Luke approach controller, instead of advising us that we had penetrated class B, and providing us with a vector to get out, terminated radar contact with us. He could have gotten us out of the way the quickest, but instead seemed to try and get himself off the hook by terminating radar contact. Finally, the phx approach controller was too busy trying to figure out which aircraft had penetrated the airspace to talk to us. We were instructed to contact ms X at phoenix. She explained that they were forced to divert an airliner on descent due to our location. We did not ever see this aircraft. The first time we were really aware of our inadvertent entrance to the class B was when we heard the phoenix approach controller discussing an unidented aircraft at out altitude, and we saw other aircraft in the vicinity. In my estimation, we were not closer than 2 mi to the B737 we saw in front of us. After we had gotten well out of the airspace, we reviewed our ground track on the garmin GPS 195, and saw that we had actually entered the airspace by approximately 3 mi before turning around.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PA30 PENETRATES PHX CLASS B AIRSPACE WITHOUT CLRNC.
Narrative: CONTACTED GYR TWR AND RPTED A VFR DEP, HDG 063 DEGS. TWR STATED 'ON COURSE TKOF APPROVED.' WE DEPARTED VFR ON RWY 21, AND BEGAN A L TURN AT 500 FT AGL TO ON-COURSE HDG OF 063 DEGS. TWR RPTED TO US 'FREQ CHANGE APPROVED.' WE IMMEDIATELY CONTACTED LUKE APCH ON 120.5. THEY ASSIGNED US A SQUAWK CODE OF XXXX AND ASKED OUR POS. WE RPTED CLBING THROUGH 3000 FT FOR 9500 FT, ON-COURSE OF 063 DEGS, APPROX 5 MI E OF GYR. THE LUKE CTLR STATED RADAR CONTACT, THEN IMMEDIATELY SAID, 'RADAR SVC TERMINATED, SQUAWK 1200, MAINTAIN BELOW 5000 FT TO REMAIN CLR OF CLASS B, AND SUGGEST PHX APCH.' WE IMMEDIATELY CONTACTED PHX APCH AND WERE TOLD TO STAND BY. WE HEARD THE CTLR TALKING ABOUT AN ACFT AT 4400 FT, WHICH WE BELIEVED WAS OUR ACFT. DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF US WAS A B737 AT APPROX 2 MI, HEADED NE. AN UNKNOWN ACFT RPTED SEEING US TO APCH. WE THOUGHT THAT MAYBE WE HAD ACCIDENTALLY GOTTEN INTO AN APCH CORRIDOR, AND TURNED 180 DEGS TO THE R, AND RETURNED TO THE EASTERN SIDE OF GYR, REINITIATED CONTACT WITH LUKE APCH, AND REQUESTED VECTORS N AND E, AROUND THE CLASS B. I BELIEVE THAT THE PROB BEGAN WITH OUR UNFAMILIARITY WITH THE PHX CLASS B. WE HAD A CURRENT SECTIONAL CHART, BUT THE JAGGED FLOOR OF THE CLASS B (BLUE LINE) ON THE WESTERN PART OF THE AIRSPACE OVER GYR WAS NOT NOTICED UNTIL AFTER WE REVIEWED THE CHART. TWR APPROVING US 'ON- COURSE DEP' LED US TO BELIEVE THAT WE WERE CLRED TO HEAD THROUGH THE AIRSPACE. LUKE APCH CTLR, INSTEAD OF ADVISING US THAT WE HAD PENETRATED CLASS B, AND PROVIDING US WITH A VECTOR TO GET OUT, TERMINATED RADAR CONTACT WITH US. HE COULD HAVE GOTTEN US OUT OF THE WAY THE QUICKEST, BUT INSTEAD SEEMED TO TRY AND GET HIMSELF OFF THE HOOK BY TERMINATING RADAR CONTACT. FINALLY, THE PHX APCH CTLR WAS TOO BUSY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH ACFT HAD PENETRATED THE AIRSPACE TO TALK TO US. WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO CONTACT MS X AT PHOENIX. SHE EXPLAINED THAT THEY WERE FORCED TO DIVERT AN AIRLINER ON DSCNT DUE TO OUR LOCATION. WE DID NOT EVER SEE THIS ACFT. THE FIRST TIME WE WERE REALLY AWARE OF OUR INADVERTENT ENTRANCE TO THE CLASS B WAS WHEN WE HEARD THE PHOENIX APCH CTLR DISCUSSING AN UNIDENTED ACFT AT OUT ALT, AND WE SAW OTHER ACFT IN THE VICINITY. IN MY ESTIMATION, WE WERE NOT CLOSER THAN 2 MI TO THE B737 WE SAW IN FRONT OF US. AFTER WE HAD GOTTEN WELL OUT OF THE AIRSPACE, WE REVIEWED OUR GND TRACK ON THE GARMIN GPS 195, AND SAW THAT WE HAD ACTUALLY ENTERED THE AIRSPACE BY APPROX 3 MI BEFORE TURNING AROUND.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.