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Attributes | |
ACN | 413840 |
Time | |
Date | 199808 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : oak airport : sfo |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 8000 msl bound upper : 8000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zoa tower : pah |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B767 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure other departure sid : sid |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
ASRS Report | 413840 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Captain flying first leg sfo to dfw on sfo 8 SID with ACARS clearance of 'do not exceed 250 KTS ufn.' at 8000 ft, ATC said 'do not exceed 270 KTS in climb.' captain reduced climb rate and started to accelerate. At 260 KTS I reminded him we were still below 10000 ft. He replied we should do what ATC said and the '250 below 10' rule no longer applied. I reminded him of the rule that an ATC clearance is not permission to break the FARS. He disregarded this and continued to 270 KTS at 9000 ft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B767 CAPT DELIBERATELY EXCEEDED 250 KIAS BELOW 10000 FT.
Narrative: CAPT FLYING FIRST LEG SFO TO DFW ON SFO 8 SID WITH ACARS CLRNC OF 'DO NOT EXCEED 250 KTS UFN.' AT 8000 FT, ATC SAID 'DO NOT EXCEED 270 KTS IN CLB.' CAPT REDUCED CLB RATE AND STARTED TO ACCELERATE. AT 260 KTS I REMINDED HIM WE WERE STILL BELOW 10000 FT. HE REPLIED WE SHOULD DO WHAT ATC SAID AND THE '250 BELOW 10' RULE NO LONGER APPLIED. I REMINDED HIM OF THE RULE THAT AN ATC CLRNC IS NOT PERMISSION TO BREAK THE FARS. HE DISREGARDED THIS AND CONTINUED TO 270 KTS AT 9000 FT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.