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Attributes | |
ACN | 415050 |
Time | |
Date | 199809 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lga |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 500 msl bound upper : 1500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lga |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : go around |
Route In Use | approach : visual arrival other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Saab-Scania Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual arrival other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 25 flight time total : 15500 flight time type : 5000 |
ASRS Report | 415050 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 60 flight time total : 25000 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 414847 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 4500 vertical : 150 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
While executing the expressway visual runway 31 approach and turning base leg, traffic was called by lga tower as 12 O'clock, 1 mi south of shea stadium. This traffic described by the tower appeared to be the traffic we were following on the approach. However, the traffic that the tower intended us to follow was actually no where near the stadium and at our 2 O'clock position on a straight-in approach to runway 31, out of sequence. When it became clear that this was our traffic to follow, it was obvious that we would be unable to safely follow the traffic without excessive maneuvering, a go around was initiated. Suggestions: 1) do not permit straight-in or right turn-in approachs to runway 31 when the expressway visual approach is in use, especially during busy arrival periods. 2) limit visual approachs to follow traffic at high density airports. Supplemental information from acn 414847: we were on the expressway visual runway 31 at lga. Tower had called traffic for us just south of the stadium while we were on downwind. After about 30-45 seconds, we spotted traffic just west of the stadium and called traffic in sight. We began our base leg to space behind the observed traffic. Shortly after turning base we saw a commuter aircraft on what appeared to be a straight-in approach. We went around because we were too close to traffic to space ourselves behind him. It appeared that this commuter traffic had not been pointed out to us by lga tower.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MD80 CREW EXECUTED A MISSED APCH WHEN THE TFC THE ACFT WAS TO FOLLOW WAS TOO CLOSE.
Narrative: WHILE EXECUTING THE EXPRESSWAY VISUAL RWY 31 APCH AND TURNING BASE LEG, TFC WAS CALLED BY LGA TWR AS 12 O'CLOCK, 1 MI S OF SHEA STADIUM. THIS TFC DESCRIBED BY THE TWR APPEARED TO BE THE TFC WE WERE FOLLOWING ON THE APCH. HOWEVER, THE TFC THAT THE TWR INTENDED US TO FOLLOW WAS ACTUALLY NO WHERE NEAR THE STADIUM AND AT OUR 2 O'CLOCK POS ON A STRAIGHT-IN APCH TO RWY 31, OUT OF SEQUENCE. WHEN IT BECAME CLR THAT THIS WAS OUR TFC TO FOLLOW, IT WAS OBVIOUS THAT WE WOULD BE UNABLE TO SAFELY FOLLOW THE TFC WITHOUT EXCESSIVE MANEUVERING, A GAR WAS INITIATED. SUGGESTIONS: 1) DO NOT PERMIT STRAIGHT-IN OR R TURN-IN APCHS TO RWY 31 WHEN THE EXPRESSWAY VISUAL APCH IS IN USE, ESPECIALLY DURING BUSY ARR PERIODS. 2) LIMIT VISUAL APCHS TO FOLLOW TFC AT HIGH DENSITY ARPTS. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 414847: WE WERE ON THE EXPRESSWAY VISUAL RWY 31 AT LGA. TWR HAD CALLED TFC FOR US JUST S OF THE STADIUM WHILE WE WERE ON DOWNWIND. AFTER ABOUT 30-45 SECONDS, WE SPOTTED TFC JUST W OF THE STADIUM AND CALLED TFC IN SIGHT. WE BEGAN OUR BASE LEG TO SPACE BEHIND THE OBSERVED TFC. SHORTLY AFTER TURNING BASE WE SAW A COMMUTER ACFT ON WHAT APPEARED TO BE A STRAIGHT-IN APCH. WE WENT AROUND BECAUSE WE WERE TOO CLOSE TO TFC TO SPACE OURSELVES BEHIND HIM. IT APPEARED THAT THIS COMMUTER TFC HAD NOT BEEN POINTED OUT TO US BY LGA TWR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.