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Attributes | |
ACN | 416940 |
Time | |
Date | 199810 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : atl |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 8000 msl bound upper : 8000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : atl tower : mdw |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | ATR 72 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | other other : other pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 230 flight time total : 3900 flight time type : 1800 |
ASRS Report | 416940 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Depending on the landing direction in atl, you may actually be flying the STAR below class B airspace. Such was the case, when at 8000 ft you must slow to 200 KTS from the atl 42 to 35 DME. I was doing routine arrival paperwork when ATC called and asked our speed. It was the captain's leg and he was doing about 230 KTS below class B in this area. When I asked the captain about his speed he said he didn't realize he was in that area. Safety was not compromised and there was no conflict. Contributing factors would be my doing paperwork and not closely monitoring the instruments, the captain's lack of situational awareness, the fact that FAA/ATC should not have a route under class B for high performance aircraft, and the fatigue associated with a regional airline schedule (being the 6TH leg of a 7 leg day).
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT OF AN ATR72 (AT72) EXCEEDED THE REGULATORY AIRSPD UNDERLYING CLASS B AIRSPACE.
Narrative: DEPENDING ON THE LNDG DIRECTION IN ATL, YOU MAY ACTUALLY BE FLYING THE STAR BELOW CLASS B AIRSPACE. SUCH WAS THE CASE, WHEN AT 8000 FT YOU MUST SLOW TO 200 KTS FROM THE ATL 42 TO 35 DME. I WAS DOING ROUTINE ARR PAPERWORK WHEN ATC CALLED AND ASKED OUR SPD. IT WAS THE CAPT'S LEG AND HE WAS DOING ABOUT 230 KTS BELOW CLASS B IN THIS AREA. WHEN I ASKED THE CAPT ABOUT HIS SPD HE SAID HE DIDN'T REALIZE HE WAS IN THAT AREA. SAFETY WAS NOT COMPROMISED AND THERE WAS NO CONFLICT. CONTRIBUTING FACTORS WOULD BE MY DOING PAPERWORK AND NOT CLOSELY MONITORING THE INSTS, THE CAPT'S LACK OF SITUATIONAL AWARENESS, THE FACT THAT FAA/ATC SHOULD NOT HAVE A RTE UNDER CLASS B FOR HIGH PERFORMANCE ACFT, AND THE FATIGUE ASSOCIATED WITH A REGIONAL AIRLINE SCHEDULE (BEING THE 6TH LEG OF A 7 LEG DAY).
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.