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Attributes | |
ACN | 417326 |
Time | |
Date | 199810 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : msp airport : msp |
State Reference | MN |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 6600 msl bound upper : 7000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : msp |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-9 30 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 167 flight time total : 13321 flight time type : 4941 |
ASRS Report | 417326 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 110 flight time total : 4500 flight time type : 710 |
ASRS Report | 416015 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 750 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
We were being vectored to a visual runway 12R at msp and descending to 7000 ft. At 7500 ft, controller stated 'expedite descent, traffic at 1-2 O'clock position, 7000 ft, B757.' we leveled at 7000 ft, our last assigned altitude. I assumed ATC was climbing the B757 because he had told us to expedite to 7000 ft. ATC then said 'air carrier X, expedite your descent.' I said, 'we are level at 7000 ft, that's out last assigned altitude.' at that moment, the amber '00' were coming in fast from 1 O'clock on TCASII. ATC gave us a hard right turn to 90 degrees, TCASII gave us a descending RA. First officer was flying and complied with RA, at 6600 ft gave us a 'clear of conflict.' an air carrier Y B757 passed at 12 O'clock position, 200 ft vertical, 1000 ft horizontal. Passenger were aware of maneuver and some saw the B757. ATC said he had given us 4000 ft, but 'must have been blocked.' we never heard or acknowledged 4000 ft. The rest of approach and landing uneventful. The controller was very busy and seemed like he was behind the curve. Later found out he was a supervisor. Supplemental information from acn 416015: as we passed through 6600 ft we started receiving more vectors from ATC (either 090 degrees or 120 degrees) but we were unclr because the controller appeared to be confused. We read back 090 degrees and reconfirmed it with the controller. He also made a comment that he had given us 4000 ft, but it 'must have been blocked.' we never heard 4000 ft and never read it back (to the best of my recollection).
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DURING A VECTORED ARR, THE FO OF A DC9-30 DSNDED IN RESPONSE TO A TCASII RA, RIGHT AFTER COMPLYING WITH R 90 DEG TURN GIVEN BY APCH CTLR, FOR A TFC CONFLICT AND CTLR CONFUSION OF ALT ASSIGNMENT. AFTER LEVELING OFF, A B757 CROSSED OVERHEAD AT 200 FT. THE CTLR BELIEVED THAT HE HAD ASSIGNED RPTRS A LOWER ALT.
Narrative: WE WERE BEING VECTORED TO A VISUAL RWY 12R AT MSP AND DSNDING TO 7000 FT. AT 7500 FT, CTLR STATED 'EXPEDITE DSCNT, TFC AT 1-2 O'CLOCK POS, 7000 FT, B757.' WE LEVELED AT 7000 FT, OUR LAST ASSIGNED ALT. I ASSUMED ATC WAS CLBING THE B757 BECAUSE HE HAD TOLD US TO EXPEDITE TO 7000 FT. ATC THEN SAID 'ACR X, EXPEDITE YOUR DSCNT.' I SAID, 'WE ARE LEVEL AT 7000 FT, THAT'S OUT LAST ASSIGNED ALT.' AT THAT MOMENT, THE AMBER '00' WERE COMING IN FAST FROM 1 O'CLOCK ON TCASII. ATC GAVE US A HARD R TURN TO 90 DEGS, TCASII GAVE US A DSNDING RA. FO WAS FLYING AND COMPLIED WITH RA, AT 6600 FT GAVE US A 'CLR OF CONFLICT.' AN ACR Y B757 PASSED AT 12 O'CLOCK POS, 200 FT VERT, 1000 FT HORIZ. PAX WERE AWARE OF MANEUVER AND SOME SAW THE B757. ATC SAID HE HAD GIVEN US 4000 FT, BUT 'MUST HAVE BEEN BLOCKED.' WE NEVER HEARD OR ACKNOWLEDGED 4000 FT. THE REST OF APCH AND LNDG UNEVENTFUL. THE CTLR WAS VERY BUSY AND SEEMED LIKE HE WAS BEHIND THE CURVE. LATER FOUND OUT HE WAS A SUPVR. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 416015: AS WE PASSED THROUGH 6600 FT WE STARTED RECEIVING MORE VECTORS FROM ATC (EITHER 090 DEGS OR 120 DEGS) BUT WE WERE UNCLR BECAUSE THE CTLR APPEARED TO BE CONFUSED. WE READ BACK 090 DEGS AND RECONFIRMED IT WITH THE CTLR. HE ALSO MADE A COMMENT THAT HE HAD GIVEN US 4000 FT, BUT IT 'MUST HAVE BEEN BLOCKED.' WE NEVER HEARD 4000 FT AND NEVER READ IT BACK (TO THE BEST OF MY RECOLLECTION).
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.