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Attributes | |
ACN | 417875 |
Time | |
Date | 199810 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : bwi airport : bwi |
State Reference | MD |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 6000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : bwi |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 230 flight time total : 9700 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 417875 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 417874 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 10000 vertical : 400 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
We were cleared to descend to 4000 ft on vectors for a visual approach to runway 33L at bwi. Passing 6000 ft, approach control requested that we expedite our descent, then a moment later advised us of 12 O'clock traffic, opposite direction at 4500 ft. We received a TA when we were approaching 5000 ft, and the target was displayed at 4 mi. We slowed our descent, anticipating a traffic conflict, and advised ATC that we would 'level at 5000 ft' due to impending conflict (poor choice of words!). The controller asked us if we had an RA and we replied no but were expecting one, and in fact we had an RA 5 seconds later. We complied with the TCASII RA 'climb' command, advised the controller, and we reclred to maintain 5000 ft. The controller was angry and stated that he considered what I had intended to be a momentary leveloff as an altitude deviation because we did not continue descending to 4000 ft with only a TCASII TA. I had considered continuing the descent before the RA but it was obvious that an RA was imminent. Clrer communications with the controller and more aggressive compliance with ATC instructions might have prevented this misunderstanding. It is unfortunate that with a conflict so obvious and imminent, the only 'legal' course of action is to continue toward disaster and begin evasive maneuvers with the less timely (ie, less safety margin) RA.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B727 CREW TAKES EVASIVE ACTION AFTER RECEIVING TCASII RA IN BWI AIRSPACE.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED TO DSND TO 4000 FT ON VECTORS FOR A VISUAL APCH TO RWY 33L AT BWI. PASSING 6000 FT, APCH CTL REQUESTED THAT WE EXPEDITE OUR DSCNT, THEN A MOMENT LATER ADVISED US OF 12 O'CLOCK TFC, OPPOSITE DIRECTION AT 4500 FT. WE RECEIVED A TA WHEN WE WERE APCHING 5000 FT, AND THE TARGET WAS DISPLAYED AT 4 MI. WE SLOWED OUR DSCNT, ANTICIPATING A TFC CONFLICT, AND ADVISED ATC THAT WE WOULD 'LEVEL AT 5000 FT' DUE TO IMPENDING CONFLICT (POOR CHOICE OF WORDS!). THE CTLR ASKED US IF WE HAD AN RA AND WE REPLIED NO BUT WERE EXPECTING ONE, AND IN FACT WE HAD AN RA 5 SECONDS LATER. WE COMPLIED WITH THE TCASII RA 'CLB' COMMAND, ADVISED THE CTLR, AND WE RECLRED TO MAINTAIN 5000 FT. THE CTLR WAS ANGRY AND STATED THAT HE CONSIDERED WHAT I HAD INTENDED TO BE A MOMENTARY LEVELOFF AS AN ALTDEV BECAUSE WE DID NOT CONTINUE DSNDING TO 4000 FT WITH ONLY A TCASII TA. I HAD CONSIDERED CONTINUING THE DSCNT BEFORE THE RA BUT IT WAS OBVIOUS THAT AN RA WAS IMMINENT. CLRER COMS WITH THE CTLR AND MORE AGGRESSIVE COMPLIANCE WITH ATC INSTRUCTIONS MIGHT HAVE PREVENTED THIS MISUNDERSTANDING. IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT WITH A CONFLICT SO OBVIOUS AND IMMINENT, THE ONLY 'LEGAL' COURSE OF ACTION IS TO CONTINUE TOWARD DISASTER AND BEGIN EVASIVE MANEUVERS WITH THE LESS TIMELY (IE, LESS SAFETY MARGIN) RA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.