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Attributes | |
ACN | 420382 |
Time | |
Date | 199811 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : ioss airport : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 8000 msl bound upper : 8000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 30000 flight time type : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 420382 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Clt to lax. On arrival lax approach cleared via paradise 2 arrival to runway 25L changed to mudde 3 arrival to runway 25R then cleared direct snrkl intersection and cleared via mitts 1 arrival runway 24R. Descending out of 12000 ft we were asked to keep an air carrier flight in sight. The air carrier was landing left side. We were landing on right side. On the mitts arrival we went slightly below the 8000 ft restr at denay. No conflict with traffic. Lax does a great job of moving traffic but from a pilot's stand, all the arrs being changed (3) for us plus runway changes, and add in trying to visually keep someone in sight, puts a heavy workload in the cockpit. Also, reloading the approach in the FMC takes time when you don't have much time to spare.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B757 CREW DSNDED BELOW 8000 FT AT DENAY ON APCH TO RWY 24R AT LAX.
Narrative: CLT TO LAX. ON ARR LAX APCH CLRED VIA PARADISE 2 ARR TO RWY 25L CHANGED TO MUDDE 3 ARR TO RWY 25R THEN CLRED DIRECT SNRKL INTXN AND CLRED VIA MITTS 1 ARR RWY 24R. DSNDING OUT OF 12000 FT WE WERE ASKED TO KEEP AN ACR FLT IN SIGHT. THE ACR WAS LNDG L SIDE. WE WERE LNDG ON R SIDE. ON THE MITTS ARR WE WENT SLIGHTLY BELOW THE 8000 FT RESTR AT DENAY. NO CONFLICT WITH TFC. LAX DOES A GREAT JOB OF MOVING TFC BUT FROM A PLT'S STAND, ALL THE ARRS BEING CHANGED (3) FOR US PLUS RWY CHANGES, AND ADD IN TRYING TO VISUALLY KEEP SOMEONE IN SIGHT, PUTS A HVY WORKLOAD IN THE COCKPIT. ALSO, RELOADING THE APCH IN THE FMC TAKES TIME WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE MUCH TIME TO SPARE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.