 |
37000 Feet | Browse and search NASA's Aviation Safety Reporting System |
|
Flight crew of an air carrier MD80 checked ATIS in a timely sequence prior to approach and landing and found themselves lower than called for at the FAF due to the DME for a localizer approach being OTS. The updated ATIS covered this outage, which they did not have, nor did approach controller brief them regarding this outage when clearing them for the localizer approach.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 420460 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199811 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : san airport : san |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 1300 msl bound upper : 2000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Mixed |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : san |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | arrival other enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 140 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 3500 |
| ASRS Report | 420460 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We had copied the XX51Z ATIS information for lindbergh field, which stated the localizer runway 27 approach was in use. The first officer briefed as this was his leg. There was no mention on ATIS information of the DME OTS. When we were handed off to socal approach (and eventually cleared for the approach), we reported we had ATIS information. We were not advised the ATIS was updated or that the DME was OTS. We began our dscnts based on the DME we were receiving, which resulted in being lower at reebo FAF and setting off the low altitude alert. We corrected and made an uneventful landing at XA39Z.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF AN ACR MD80 CHKED ATIS IN A TIMELY SEQUENCE PRIOR TO APCH AND LNDG AND FOUND THEMSELVES LOWER THAN CALLED FOR AT THE FAF DUE TO THE DME FOR A LOC APCH BEING OTS. THE UPDATED ATIS COVERED THIS OUTAGE, WHICH THEY DID NOT HAVE, NOR DID APCH CTLR BRIEF THEM REGARDING THIS OUTAGE WHEN CLRING THEM FOR THE LOC APCH.
Narrative: WE HAD COPIED THE XX51Z ATIS INFO FOR LINDBERGH FIELD, WHICH STATED THE LOC RWY 27 APCH WAS IN USE. THE FO BRIEFED AS THIS WAS HIS LEG. THERE WAS NO MENTION ON ATIS INFO OF THE DME OTS. WHEN WE WERE HANDED OFF TO SOCAL APCH (AND EVENTUALLY CLRED FOR THE APCH), WE RPTED WE HAD ATIS INFO. WE WERE NOT ADVISED THE ATIS WAS UPDATED OR THAT THE DME WAS OTS. WE BEGAN OUR DSCNTS BASED ON THE DME WE WERE RECEIVING, WHICH RESULTED IN BEING LOWER AT REEBO FAF AND SETTING OFF THE LOW ALT ALERT. WE CORRECTED AND MADE AN UNEVENTFUL LNDG AT XA39Z.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.