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Flight crew of a dassault falcon 50 exceeded the maximum speed for airspace below class B airspace. Approach controller intervened to slow them down and remind them of the far speed restr.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 420740 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199811 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : lzu airport : lzu |
| State Reference | GA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 5000 msl bound upper : 5000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : atl |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | Falcon 50 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | cruise other descent : approach |
| Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 110 flight time total : 14750 flight time type : 150 |
| ASRS Report | 420740 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 4800 flight time type : 40 |
| ASRS Report | 420739 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Upon arrival in the atlanta, GA, area from austin, tx, we were being vectored to the VOR DME runway 7 approach to lawrenceville, GA (gwinnett county) lzu. In preselecting our radials and radios our navigation was set up on pdk VOR for the approach, so there is no confusion or conflict, both VOR and DME and radials are set the same. We were at 5000 ft about 20-30 mi from the approach fix when approach control asked us our speed. We told them 250 KTS. They then stated that we were under class B airspace and our speed should be less than 200 KTS and to slow to 160 KTS. We complied with the speed restr, continued with vectors and completed the approach. After landing, I called approach control on the telephone for clarification of the situation and was told we should be aware of where we are at all times. I contend that when we're being vectored in solid IFR conditions with both radios tuned to the approach fix we should be given speed restrs when appropriate.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF A DASSAULT FALCON 50 EXCEEDED THE MAX SPD FOR AIRSPACE BELOW CLASS B AIRSPACE. APCH CTLR INTERVENED TO SLOW THEM DOWN AND REMIND THEM OF THE FAR SPD RESTR.
Narrative: UPON ARR IN THE ATLANTA, GA, AREA FROM AUSTIN, TX, WE WERE BEING VECTORED TO THE VOR DME RWY 7 APCH TO LAWRENCEVILLE, GA (GWINNETT COUNTY) LZU. IN PRESELECTING OUR RADIALS AND RADIOS OUR NAV WAS SET UP ON PDK VOR FOR THE APCH, SO THERE IS NO CONFUSION OR CONFLICT, BOTH VOR AND DME AND RADIALS ARE SET THE SAME. WE WERE AT 5000 FT ABOUT 20-30 MI FROM THE APCH FIX WHEN APCH CTL ASKED US OUR SPD. WE TOLD THEM 250 KTS. THEY THEN STATED THAT WE WERE UNDER CLASS B AIRSPACE AND OUR SPD SHOULD BE LESS THAN 200 KTS AND TO SLOW TO 160 KTS. WE COMPLIED WITH THE SPD RESTR, CONTINUED WITH VECTORS AND COMPLETED THE APCH. AFTER LNDG, I CALLED APCH CTL ON THE TELEPHONE FOR CLARIFICATION OF THE SIT AND WAS TOLD WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF WHERE WE ARE AT ALL TIMES. I CONTEND THAT WHEN WE'RE BEING VECTORED IN SOLID IFR CONDITIONS WITH BOTH RADIOS TUNED TO THE APCH FIX WE SHOULD BE GIVEN SPD RESTRS WHEN APPROPRIATE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.